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Frankly, it would probably be fine if it could be turned off and if turned on, doesn’t report its findings back to Apple (or anyone, but you, for the matter).

user-the-name 5y ago
No Apple health features report anything back to Apple or anyone else. Why would you expect this to be different?
- multiplegeorges 5y ago
  Oh, I don't know... the behaviour of the entire rest of the tech industry.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    But this is not being done by the rest of the tech industry, it is being done by Apple, specifically, who have a record of behaviour with medical data that, as far as I am aware, is spotless.
- hungryforcodes 5y ago
  Even if that's true -- and you've provided no proof -- the data would most likely get stored on iCloud, and just like iPhotos, Apple will decide one day to just start trolling through it for fun and profit. CSAM is coming back in other ways. Apple will try again.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    Apple health data stored on iCloud is encrypted so that Apple can not access it.
    - hungryforcodes 5y ago
      As has been discussed often the keys to decrypt iCloud data are also stored on iCloud, so it's trivial to unencrypt the data. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/01/apple-reportedly-nixed-plan-for-end-to-end-encryption-in-iphone-backups/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/01/apple-reportedly... https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/21/21075033/apple-icloud-end-to-end-encryption-scrapped-fbi-reuters-report https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/21/21075033/apple-icloud-end...
      - user-the-name 5y ago
        And why, exactly, did they try to make it impossible for themselves to do this, if that is something they actually want to do?
        hungryforcodes 5y ago
        It's not impossible. They do this all the time for law enforcement. Did even read the links?
        user-the-name 5y ago
        I read the article, which said Apple wanted to make this impossible for themselves, but then police complained so they didn't. If they wanted to do it in the first place, why did they go to the effort of trying to make it impossible and had to be stopped by police?
        hungryforcodes 5y ago
        I'm assuming the FBI and various other law enforcement agencies would have kept pushing for access anyways, most likely by escalating to legal or legislative means ("let's ban encryption" type thing). Despite what one may think of the police, they do have a legal basis for attempting to collect possible evidence in the natural course of their duties when equipped with an appropriate warrant. In such cases Apple might have been exposed to any number of different legal problems, including obstruction of justice accusations. So it was probably just easier for Apple to comply. But who knows what the thinking was.

user-the-name 5y ago

No Apple health features report anything back to Apple or anyone else. Why would you expect this to be different?

multiplegeorges 5y ago
Oh, I don't know... the behaviour of the entire rest of the tech industry.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  But this is not being done by the rest of the tech industry, it is being done by Apple, specifically, who have a record of behaviour with medical data that, as far as I am aware, is spotless.
hungryforcodes 5y ago
Even if that's true -- and you've provided no proof -- the data would most likely get stored on iCloud, and just like iPhotos, Apple will decide one day to just start trolling through it for fun and profit. CSAM is coming back in other ways. Apple will try again.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  Apple health data stored on iCloud is encrypted so that Apple can not access it.
  - hungryforcodes 5y ago
    As has been discussed often the keys to decrypt iCloud data are also stored on iCloud, so it's trivial to unencrypt the data. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/01/apple-reportedly-nixed-plan-for-end-to-end-encryption-in-iphone-backups/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/01/apple-reportedly... https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/21/21075033/apple-icloud-end-to-end-encryption-scrapped-fbi-reuters-report https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/21/21075033/apple-icloud-end...
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      And why, exactly, did they try to make it impossible for themselves to do this, if that is something they actually want to do?
      - hungryforcodes 5y ago
        It's not impossible. They do this all the time for law enforcement. Did even read the links?
        user-the-name 5y ago
        I read the article, which said Apple wanted to make this impossible for themselves, but then police complained so they didn't. If they wanted to do it in the first place, why did they go to the effort of trying to make it impossible and had to be stopped by police?
        hungryforcodes 5y ago
        I'm assuming the FBI and various other law enforcement agencies would have kept pushing for access anyways, most likely by escalating to legal or legislative means ("let's ban encryption" type thing). Despite what one may think of the police, they do have a legal basis for attempting to collect possible evidence in the natural course of their duties when equipped with an appropriate warrant. In such cases Apple might have been exposed to any number of different legal problems, including obstruction of justice accusations. So it was probably just easier for Apple to comply. But who knows what the thinking was.