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Interoperability needs to be brought all the back to the protocol. Force ISPs to give people static, public IP addresses. Then the tech industry has to build l

by NHQ 5y ago

Interoperability needs to be brought all the back to the protocol. Force ISPs to give people static, public IP addresses. Then the tech industry has to build local-first, P2P apps, and what was once a dominant social network is now just another interface competing with features people actually want. What is broken about the internet is that we don't have our own addresses, like in real life. (Cue security red-scare and condescending technical types who think it's too complicated for the user.)

slaymaker1907 5y ago
I think that would cause a lot of problems if forced to give a static IPv4 address. However, I agree that they should give people an IPv6 address. Furthermore, they should have any dynamic mapping accessible via DNS by default (with an opt out process for people who don't want it). Ideally IPv6 address assignment should be done without NAT as well since NAT is a way bigger hurdle to overcome than dynamic IP addresses.
jahewson 5y ago
> static, public IP address That’s basically a super-cookie.
- NHQ 5y ago
  Everything would be a different paradigm than we have now. Security, auth, sharing; we can only imagine how things would shift if we turned the model we have on its head. Super cookie? ISP is a private VPN proivder now. Cookies are a good example. That browsers give up a cookie at all—who consented to this specification? GDPR could have changed browser specs so that cookies were truly opt-in; it regulates company behavior instead, which is weak. Fundamentally, our choices are being made for us at the protocol level, and everything we have as a result is emergent, and so people argue about regulating the emergent properties.
  - jahewson 5y ago
    > ISP is a private VPN proivder now. Reality check: ISPs sell your information. They’re pretty much the last people you should trust. > who consented to this specification? Third party cookies (the “tracking” kind) were a bug. The original specification did not include them.
    - NHQ 5y ago
      > Reality check: ISPs sell your information. They’re pretty much the last people you should trust. Exactly why we should regulate IP address and protocols, so that every company that handles them is beholden to the same conditions for preserving our privacy. Instead we play whack-a-mole regulating individual company behavior, while they continue to control the protocols and addresses and everything on top of those layers.
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by NHQ 5y ago

slaymaker1907 5y ago

I think that would cause a lot of problems if forced to give a static IPv4 address. However, I agree that they should give people an IPv6 address. Furthermore, they should have any dynamic mapping accessible via DNS by default (with an opt out process for people who don't want it). Ideally IPv6 address assignment should be done without NAT as well since NAT is a way bigger hurdle to overcome than dynamic IP addresses.

jahewson 5y ago

> static, public IP address That’s basically a super-cookie.

NHQ 5y ago
Everything would be a different paradigm than we have now. Security, auth, sharing; we can only imagine how things would shift if we turned the model we have on its head. Super cookie? ISP is a private VPN proivder now. Cookies are a good example. That browsers give up a cookie at all—who consented to this specification? GDPR could have changed browser specs so that cookies were truly opt-in; it regulates company behavior instead, which is weak. Fundamentally, our choices are being made for us at the protocol level, and everything we have as a result is emergent, and so people argue about regulating the emergent properties.
- jahewson 5y ago
  > ISP is a private VPN proivder now. Reality check: ISPs sell your information. They’re pretty much the last people you should trust. > who consented to this specification? Third party cookies (the “tracking” kind) were a bug. The original specification did not include them.
  - NHQ 5y ago
    > Reality check: ISPs sell your information. They’re pretty much the last people you should trust. Exactly why we should regulate IP address and protocols, so that every company that handles them is beholden to the same conditions for preserving our privacy. Instead we play whack-a-mole regulating individual company behavior, while they continue to control the protocols and addresses and everything on top of those layers.

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