> There are a few neighborhoods that are completely free of HOAs that but those houses are not as nice and neighborhoods not as nice. I think the HOA tries to

> There are a few neighborhoods that are completely free of HOAs that but those houses are not as nice and neighborhoods not as nice. I think the HOA tries to argue that this isn't coincidence - its the HOA's policies and governance that have resulted in the niceness (we can cite examples that both support this and contradict this, of course, so its hard to assess whether this is true). Folks might argue that it isn't fair that the most desirable goods are encumbered, but then its kind of up to them to create or support institutions that can manufacture the unencumbered version. That's the promise of a market opportunity where we can create brand new neighborhoods to test your hypothesis that people will prefer the nice-but-no-HOA version (I think the recent buzz around the Framework laptops is an example of this).