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New York Hospitals Face Possible Mass Firings as Workers Spurn Vaccines

10 points by johntfella 5y ago

PragmaticPulp 5y ago
Some will quit (or, technically, be fired for failing to comply with job requirements) But the numbers suggest that most of the people who threaten to quit when surveyed don’t actually quit when they’re forced to choose: https://theconversation.com/half-of-unvaccinated-workers-say-theyd-rather-quit-than-get-a-shot-but-real-world-data-suggest-few-are-following-through-168447 https://theconversation.com/half-of-unvaccinated-workers-say... The remainder of hospital workers who refuse to vaccinate against a highly contagious disease that is particularly deadly to vulnerable patients (such as hospitalized patients) are clearly unqualified to be working with vulnerable patients anyway. The headlines are trying to make this sound like a catastrophic wave of employee losses, but in practice it’s barely a blip on the radar.
- verdverm 5y ago
  Is 1/10 workers a blip? This article has the number at 16% https://www.thedailybeast.com/ny-gov-kathy-hochul-declares-state-of-emergency-for-looming-hospital-staffing-shortage-over-vaccines https://www.thedailybeast.com/ny-gov-kathy-hochul-declares-s...
- ghoward 5y ago
  > The remainder of hospital workers who refuse to vaccinate against a highly contagious disease that is particularly deadly to vulnerable patients (such as hospitalized patients) are clearly unqualified to be working with vulnerable patients anyway. I might believe this if being recovered from COVID counted, but it does not. If those nurses are recovered, they are not idiots for refusing the vaccine.
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  Just don't pretend to care about ICU capacity after making a post like this. Also there's no case for mandates because the vaccines are garbage at preventing transmission.
- johntfella 5y ago
  what is not being taken into account is the compounding effect of the generalised shortage and how over worked everyone is. burn out is already there and there are alternative employment options for the ones that don't want the vaccine. it doesn't have to be a huge number that resigns/gets fired to push things over the edge for those who are vaccinated and staying on the job.
ergot_vacation 5y ago
Even if the vaccine(s) are 1000% safe, the fact that people are being coerced by the state to take them, on threat of having their entire lives stolen (no job, no entry to businesses, and soon probably restricted movement) should cause anyone with a few functioning neurons to recoil in horror. If you simply offer me a product, maybe it's safe, maybe it isn't. If you INSIST on me taking it, and engage in vast, sweeping propaganda campaigns across all media, brutally censoring all opposition and criticism and attempting to brow-beat the public into submission via a campaign of fear and intimidation, for a disease with a minuscule fatality rate, you have utterly convinced me that there's something wrong with the product and I should stay far, far away. At BEST, Big Pharama is once again hellbent on pushing a sketchy frankenstein creation to rake in the cash. At worst, something much more dark is happening. For almost a year, the "Lab Leak Hypothesis" was scorned as deranged conspiracy blather. Now it is widely accepted as mundane, mainstream fact that ethics-free phrama researchers, in China but with US funding, created this disaster. It took about a year for the media admit reality. Now the "conspiracy theory" is that the vaccines are unsafe, for a variety of reasons ranging from mundane lack of care to more sinister motives. How long will it take for the media, and the establishment, to be forced to admit reality this time? And how many will end up crippled or dead in the meantime?
- heyitsguay 5y ago
  Vaccines are being mandated because if you're dealing with the public without them, you're more likely to hurt people (and yourself). Drunk driving laws aren't a conspiracy by Big Taxi.
  - AndrewBissell 5y ago
    The science is not at all clear on this. Tests are being administered at very different rates to the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Transmission rates have never been compared in a properly controlled environment. Many very highly vaccinated states and countries are seeing far higher rates of spread than this time last year before there were any vaccines.
    - 5y ago
haspoken 5y ago
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10 points by johntfella 5y ago

Some will quit (or, technically, be fired for failing to comply with job requirements) But the numbers suggest that most of the people who threaten to quit when surveyed don’t actually quit when they’re forced to choose: https://theconversation.com/half-of-unvaccinated-workers-say-theyd-rather-quit-than-get-a-shot-but-real-world-data-suggest-few-are-following-through-168447 https://theconversation.com/half-of-unvaccinated-workers-say... The remainder of hospital workers who refuse to vaccinate against a highly contagious disease that is particularly deadly to vulnerable patients (such as hospitalized patients) are clearly unqualified to be working with vulnerable patients anyway. The headlines are trying to make this sound like a catastrophic wave of employee losses, but in practice it’s barely a blip on the radar.

verdverm 5y ago
Is 1/10 workers a blip? This article has the number at 16% https://www.thedailybeast.com/ny-gov-kathy-hochul-declares-state-of-emergency-for-looming-hospital-staffing-shortage-over-vaccines https://www.thedailybeast.com/ny-gov-kathy-hochul-declares-s...
ghoward 5y ago
> The remainder of hospital workers who refuse to vaccinate against a highly contagious disease that is particularly deadly to vulnerable patients (such as hospitalized patients) are clearly unqualified to be working with vulnerable patients anyway. I might believe this if being recovered from COVID counted, but it does not. If those nurses are recovered, they are not idiots for refusing the vaccine.
AndrewBissell 5y ago
Just don't pretend to care about ICU capacity after making a post like this. Also there's no case for mandates because the vaccines are garbage at preventing transmission.
johntfella 5y ago
what is not being taken into account is the compounding effect of the generalised shortage and how over worked everyone is. burn out is already there and there are alternative employment options for the ones that don't want the vaccine. it doesn't have to be a huge number that resigns/gets fired to push things over the edge for those who are vaccinated and staying on the job.

ergot_vacation 5y ago

Even if the vaccine(s) are 1000% safe, the fact that people are being coerced by the state to take them, on threat of having their entire lives stolen (no job, no entry to businesses, and soon probably restricted movement) should cause anyone with a few functioning neurons to recoil in horror. If you simply offer me a product, maybe it's safe, maybe it isn't. If you INSIST on me taking it, and engage in vast, sweeping propaganda campaigns across all media, brutally censoring all opposition and criticism and attempting to brow-beat the public into submission via a campaign of fear and intimidation, for a disease with a minuscule fatality rate, you have utterly convinced me that there's something wrong with the product and I should stay far, far away. At BEST, Big Pharama is once again hellbent on pushing a sketchy frankenstein creation to rake in the cash. At worst, something much more dark is happening. For almost a year, the "Lab Leak Hypothesis" was scorned as deranged conspiracy blather. Now it is widely accepted as mundane, mainstream fact that ethics-free phrama researchers, in China but with US funding, created this disaster. It took about a year for the media admit reality. Now the "conspiracy theory" is that the vaccines are unsafe, for a variety of reasons ranging from mundane lack of care to more sinister motives. How long will it take for the media, and the establishment, to be forced to admit reality this time? And how many will end up crippled or dead in the meantime?

heyitsguay 5y ago
Vaccines are being mandated because if you're dealing with the public without them, you're more likely to hurt people (and yourself). Drunk driving laws aren't a conspiracy by Big Taxi.
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  The science is not at all clear on this. Tests are being administered at very different rates to the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Transmission rates have never been compared in a properly controlled environment. Many very highly vaccinated states and countries are seeing far higher rates of spread than this time last year before there were any vaccines.
  - 5y ago

haspoken 5y ago

https://archive.is/e7xbr https://archive.is/e7xbr