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Also, the Pope was not a scientist in my registers. Maybe it’s a match because climate change involves more “belief” than science, and they’re both about ideolo

Also, the Pope was not a scientist in my registers. Maybe it’s a match because climate change involves more “belief” than science, and they’re both about ideology adherence? Maybe the ideological match is that this pope seems very fond of the idea that every human is equal, to the point one should not be measured by how much they work or how peaceful they are. And therefore, countries which have already implemented good things for climate change such as regulating their population and reaching lower density, should not, according to this pope, benefit from any permit to collectively consume as much as a dense country, which means that grossly overpopulated countries must not perform larger efforts than the West, and which also means that the country who grossly overpopulates itself is still bound to win the power balance. The West man holds, in this pope’s ideology, a very sour place anyway, he is practically the epitome of the current progressist ideology.

tpm 5y ago
Climate change involves more belief than science?
- laurent92 5y ago
  Well, do you “believe in science”? or are you persuaded after reading thousands of boring papers? which contradict each other? Philosophically, if you have an opinion, then it’s not science. More pragmatically, if science converges with an ideology, then the probability is high that both the researchers and the filtering networks have enough bias to invert the results to match the ideology. Which, you know, we’re seeing that on the 3 main topics of our lives currently (feminism, racism and covid), so it’s not like it never happened.
  - tpm 5y ago
    Science is a methodology, not a destination. So of course your opinion is not science, but it can align with the current state of scientific findigs, or not. In the case of climate change, my opinion aligns with the current state of science. I would rather not believe in it, because the implications of climate change are rather unpleasant. I also do not think e.g. Margaret Thatcher was a strong believer of whatever ideology are you talking about, but she tought climate change is real enough, and that was 30 years ago. In the last 15 or so years I have read hundreds (probably well over 1000) science papers about various topics. Those in climate change seem to me to be scientific enough compared with other fields. Also racism and feminism are very far from main topics of my life, maybe because I am from a different part of the world and also left most social networks. But the climate change seems to be still happening around here.
geofft 5y ago
By "the current progressist ideology," are you referring to the ideology of, as the saying goes, "Western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic" people? Or is this an ideology held by farmers in India or chemical plant workers in Lebanon or automotive plant workers in the Philippines? If the former, I would say the Western man holds a pretty powerful place in this Pope's ideology.

tpm 5y ago

Climate change involves more belief than science?

laurent92 5y ago
Well, do you “believe in science”? or are you persuaded after reading thousands of boring papers? which contradict each other? Philosophically, if you have an opinion, then it’s not science. More pragmatically, if science converges with an ideology, then the probability is high that both the researchers and the filtering networks have enough bias to invert the results to match the ideology. Which, you know, we’re seeing that on the 3 main topics of our lives currently (feminism, racism and covid), so it’s not like it never happened.
- tpm 5y ago
  Science is a methodology, not a destination. So of course your opinion is not science, but it can align with the current state of scientific findigs, or not. In the case of climate change, my opinion aligns with the current state of science. I would rather not believe in it, because the implications of climate change are rather unpleasant. I also do not think e.g. Margaret Thatcher was a strong believer of whatever ideology are you talking about, but she tought climate change is real enough, and that was 30 years ago. In the last 15 or so years I have read hundreds (probably well over 1000) science papers about various topics. Those in climate change seem to me to be scientific enough compared with other fields. Also racism and feminism are very far from main topics of my life, maybe because I am from a different part of the world and also left most social networks. But the climate change seems to be still happening around here.

geofft 5y ago

By "the current progressist ideology," are you referring to the ideology of, as the saying goes, "Western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic" people? Or is this an ideology held by farmers in India or chemical plant workers in Lebanon or automotive plant workers in the Philippines? If the former, I would say the Western man holds a pretty powerful place in this Pope's ideology.