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It's fascinating to me that even in a post for something as simple and mundane as RSS feeds somehow Luke Smith still manages to sprinkle in some of his disgusti

It's fascinating to me that even in a post for something as simple and mundane as RSS feeds somehow Luke Smith still manages to sprinkle in some of his disgusting alt-right vocabulary. I have to respect the grift.

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
Can you please explain what you mean by 'disgusting alt-right vocabulary'? After your comment I read his post twice and didn't find anything remotely political.
- Kaze404 5y ago
  > Nitter.net is a Twitter proxy that mirrors Twitter, but without Javascript soyware and spying. With "soy" here being an old dogwhistle that refers to the "theory" that men are being feminized through the estrogen contained in meals that have soy as ingredient.
  - smitty1e 5y ago
    You are offering significant interpretation here. Note the adjaceny if 'o' and 'p' on the QWERTY. 'Soyware' is possibly a simple 'spyware' typo. I know neither you nor The Famous Article's author, but your remark does not instill confidence in your judgement.
    - pcranaway 5y ago
      not a typo https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Soydev https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Soydev
    - voltagex_ 5y ago
      It's not a typo, the author also uses this on their YouTube channel.
      - riffic 5y ago
        by definition a dog-whistle. something which can be innocently handwaved away by those not attuned, but sends a clear signal to those capable of reception.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - jetstreamSam 5y ago
    >disgusting alt-right vocabulary I am unconvinced that a "dogwhistle" that is a word play on spyware is truly disgusting and clearly alt-right. And with all due respect, why make a personal snarky attack because of 1 word?
    - Kaze404 5y ago
      Because Luke Smith is not shy to express his alt right political views both on his website and his YouTube channel. As long as he's free to do that, I'm free to criticize it.
      - jetstreamSam 5y ago
        I would completely agree on that, if his general blog would be what was posted. But this is an unrelated informative article, which is why I don't think discrediting critique of the person is valid. Especially since the 'offenses' seem impressively minor in this case.
        Kaze404 5y ago
        I agree that this is an unrelated article, but he opened this can of worms himself by inserting dogwhistles in it. Which is unfortunate, because the information in there is actually useful and something I would gladly link in the "Library" section of my blog. But I can't do that now, otherwise I'd be platforming speech that wants me dead.
        jetstreamSam 5y ago
        Would you care to explain to me how "consooome" and "soyware" imply your death? In my vocabulary those are a joking reference to overconsumption and a play on bad software that serves as spyware, which social media sites arguably often are imo. If you argue that you associate these words with people that want you dead it would seem to me that that is your narrow personal perspective. I certainly don't want you dead.
        spErased 5y ago
- obtusifolia 5y ago
  I think they refer to terms like consoooom and soyware which are not political, but can be connected to 4chan and therefore to the alt-right. It's a bit of a strech if this is the first time you heard of Luke Smith, but generally he's not shy to express his political opinions on the far right of the spectrum. Which is a shame, because otherwise there's a lot I can agree with him on.
the_third_wave 5y ago
I read the page and did not find anything worth labelling "disgusting alt-right vocabulary". Either put up or shut up with the "disgusting alt-right vocabulary" nonsense. This type of accusation without examples and explanations just why it is "disgusting" and "alt-right" only serves to poison the well from which ideas are drawn, it serves no good purpose. So, show us some examples of that disgusting vocabulary so we can respond to it. If you can not just keep your fingers off the keyboard until you have something constructive to add to the discussion.
- Kaze404 5y ago
  I did so in another comment on this very thread. And unfortunately for you, even if I didn't you don't have the power to stop me from saying it. Maybe next time read the rest of the thread before commenting.
- mkr-hn 5y ago
  I had a look at one of his Peertube feeds and I see that "soy[noun]" is something he uses often enough that it's probably not a typo. Example: "climate soyence," "OBS is major soyware." All with the soyboy meme guy overlaid. The "soy" thing is very much an alt-right dogwhistle, but those have a way of leaking out, so it's not always a red flag in isolation. I don't think such a charitable read is warranted in this case: he's all in on the meme. Put it together with all the pepes and whatnot, and it's clear he's at least well into the pipeline. This is why I'm usually against making such accusations without extra context. There's no way a casual reader could have seen this. If you don't have that context, it's clearly just a typo! So Kaze404 looks like a goofball, unless you have context. edit: more context that removes all doubt https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28653868 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28653868
  - mycoborea 5y ago
    It’s 2021. Like it or not, what you’re describing is common slang of internet youth culture.
    - 5y ago
qersist3nce 5y ago
Well, at least most of the blogs on self-hosted freedom-of-expression-respecting solutions I read over the net are written by boogeyman "alt-rights" and "4channers", unlike the so called "liberal" ilk that are bowing day and night to big media. I have my criticisms on Luke Smith, but as a fellow man, I respect him.
dang 5y ago
"Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html It's important not to react to the most provocative thing in an article by copying it into the comments to complain about it. It just leads to the threads turning into the same flamewars over and over again, which is the opposite of what HN is supposed to be for. We want comments to come from a place of curiosity. I know it takes a certain self-regulation not to take the bait, and this is not easy - it seems to go against hard-wiring - but it's something that we all need to work on as a community. The idea is to optimize for interesting discussions, not hideous ones. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22most%20provocative%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago

Can you please explain what you mean by 'disgusting alt-right vocabulary'? After your comment I read his post twice and didn't find anything remotely political.

Kaze404 5y ago
> Nitter.net is a Twitter proxy that mirrors Twitter, but without Javascript soyware and spying. With "soy" here being an old dogwhistle that refers to the "theory" that men are being feminized through the estrogen contained in meals that have soy as ingredient.
- smitty1e 5y ago
  You are offering significant interpretation here. Note the adjaceny if 'o' and 'p' on the QWERTY. 'Soyware' is possibly a simple 'spyware' typo. I know neither you nor The Famous Article's author, but your remark does not instill confidence in your judgement.
  - pcranaway 5y ago
    not a typo https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Soydev https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Soydev
  - voltagex_ 5y ago
    It's not a typo, the author also uses this on their YouTube channel.
    - riffic 5y ago
      by definition a dog-whistle. something which can be innocently handwaved away by those not attuned, but sends a clear signal to those capable of reception.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- jetstreamSam 5y ago
  >disgusting alt-right vocabulary I am unconvinced that a "dogwhistle" that is a word play on spyware is truly disgusting and clearly alt-right. And with all due respect, why make a personal snarky attack because of 1 word?
  - Kaze404 5y ago
    Because Luke Smith is not shy to express his alt right political views both on his website and his YouTube channel. As long as he's free to do that, I'm free to criticize it.
    - jetstreamSam 5y ago
      I would completely agree on that, if his general blog would be what was posted. But this is an unrelated informative article, which is why I don't think discrediting critique of the person is valid. Especially since the 'offenses' seem impressively minor in this case.
      - Kaze404 5y ago
        I agree that this is an unrelated article, but he opened this can of worms himself by inserting dogwhistles in it. Which is unfortunate, because the information in there is actually useful and something I would gladly link in the "Library" section of my blog. But I can't do that now, otherwise I'd be platforming speech that wants me dead.
        jetstreamSam 5y ago
        Would you care to explain to me how "consooome" and "soyware" imply your death? In my vocabulary those are a joking reference to overconsumption and a play on bad software that serves as spyware, which social media sites arguably often are imo. If you argue that you associate these words with people that want you dead it would seem to me that that is your narrow personal perspective. I certainly don't want you dead.
        spErased 5y ago
obtusifolia 5y ago
I think they refer to terms like consoooom and soyware which are not political, but can be connected to 4chan and therefore to the alt-right. It's a bit of a strech if this is the first time you heard of Luke Smith, but generally he's not shy to express his political opinions on the far right of the spectrum. Which is a shame, because otherwise there's a lot I can agree with him on.

the_third_wave 5y ago

I read the page and did not find anything worth labelling "disgusting alt-right vocabulary". Either put up or shut up with the "disgusting alt-right vocabulary" nonsense. This type of accusation without examples and explanations just why it is "disgusting" and "alt-right" only serves to poison the well from which ideas are drawn, it serves no good purpose. So, show us some examples of that disgusting vocabulary so we can respond to it. If you can not just keep your fingers off the keyboard until you have something constructive to add to the discussion.

Kaze404 5y ago
I did so in another comment on this very thread. And unfortunately for you, even if I didn't you don't have the power to stop me from saying it. Maybe next time read the rest of the thread before commenting.
mkr-hn 5y ago
I had a look at one of his Peertube feeds and I see that "soy[noun]" is something he uses often enough that it's probably not a typo. Example: "climate soyence," "OBS is major soyware." All with the soyboy meme guy overlaid. The "soy" thing is very much an alt-right dogwhistle, but those have a way of leaking out, so it's not always a red flag in isolation. I don't think such a charitable read is warranted in this case: he's all in on the meme. Put it together with all the pepes and whatnot, and it's clear he's at least well into the pipeline. This is why I'm usually against making such accusations without extra context. There's no way a casual reader could have seen this. If you don't have that context, it's clearly just a typo! So Kaze404 looks like a goofball, unless you have context. edit: more context that removes all doubt https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28653868 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28653868
- mycoborea 5y ago
  It’s 2021. Like it or not, what you’re describing is common slang of internet youth culture.
  - 5y ago

qersist3nce 5y ago

Well, at least most of the blogs on self-hosted freedom-of-expression-respecting solutions I read over the net are written by boogeyman "alt-rights" and "4channers", unlike the so called "liberal" ilk that are bowing day and night to big media. I have my criticisms on Luke Smith, but as a fellow man, I respect him.

dang 5y ago

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html It's important not to react to the most provocative thing in an article by copying it into the comments to complain about it. It just leads to the threads turning into the same flamewars over and over again, which is the opposite of what HN is supposed to be for. We want comments to come from a place of curiosity. I know it takes a certain self-regulation not to take the bait, and this is not easy - it seems to go against hard-wiring - but it's something that we all need to work on as a community. The idea is to optimize for interesting discussions, not hideous ones. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22most%20provocative%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...