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>Humans have an instinctive normative sense of fairness We have and that's why I never have grasped the fairness of "equal opportunity" while at the same time
by mnsc 5y ago
>Humans have an instinctive normative sense of fairness
We have and that's why I never have grasped the fairness of "equal opportunity" while at the same time being allowed to inherit your parent's success (or failures). :thinking face:
- janto 5y agoThe alternative is to intervene and prevent you from gifting your success to those you love and your future generations. One (of the many) problems with that approach is that it takes away a meaningful incentive for an individual to sacrifice their time and energy. Without that there is only your own individual life to enjoy.
- Shish2k 5y ago> Without that there is only your own individual life to enjoy As well as “work for my children” and “work for myself”, there is a secret third option: “work for the good of my community / society / humanity as a whole”
- janto 5y agoThat falls either under "those I love" or "as determined by the State".
- dageshi 5y agoDoesn't that only really work if you like the current society and it's direction? If you don't, why would you support it with effort you don't need to expend?
- maccolgan 5y agoWhich you can also today in the current year, maybe both
- mandmandam 5y agoThis isn't an either/or situation. There are many alternatives, and it's disingenuous to say otherwise.
- janto 5y agoIf it isn't "allowed" (the parent's word), it is some degree of prevention.
- dash2 5y agoIt’s not fair, but it is hard to stop. People care for their kids. You can tax inheritance, but you can’t stop people buying violin lessons.
- jtbayly 5y agoWhat’s not fair is you telling me what I can or can’t do with the money I earn. I feel like that’s pretty deeply ingrained in the idea of fairness.
- AussieWog93 5y agoI don't think he's saying that we should make it illegal to give better opportunities to your children. He's just pointing out the fact that some children are born into poverty and there's no simple justification ("they don't work as hard as the rich kids", "they made poor financial decisions", etc.)
- jtbayly 5y agoYeah, I meant to reply to the grandparent.
- EricDeb 5y agoNo one is telling you what to do with the money you earn. If you don't like your country's taxation system feel free to immigrate to another.
- maccolgan 5y agoWhy yes, now turn the 99% to the 100%
- donatj 5y agoCounterpoint, the entire biological reason for life is reproduction. You would not be here without the long chain of individuals who sired you. Sexual reproduction favors the advantaged, and wanting to give your genetic line every possible leg up over other genetic lines seems entirely reasonable and natural.
- afarviral 5y agoThe idea that genes have a will and that there is anything reasonable, or generally positive about reproduction seems flawed. Its biological machinery which happens to optimize for replication. I am not thankful to my forebears for reproducing. Their choice to reproduce is of neutral merit. I believe that (somewhat conditionally) sentient beings deserve to prosper and shouldn't bow to genetics and tradition in the quest to do so. This idea that the purpose of existence is to fuck and have babies is straight out of the religion/pickup artistry playbook... I prefer a less bleak purpose than that. If anyone really internalizes/believes that they're just here to spread their "seed"... like, I just feel sorry for you.
- janto 5y agoWell, it's kind of a problem then that, as a human, all that you value as "good" has been determined by what has been advantageous to persistence of your genetic lineage. You may find joy and fulfillment in pursuing the proxies such as love or even truth, but you're fooling yourself if you think it's not because you are at the core biological. We forego bowing to genetics and tradition at our peril. How would we convince a sentient super AI to "not be evil" or even describe to it what that means?
- catlifeonmars 5y agoWhat is the “peril” you refer to?
- janto 5y agoReferring to AI alignment and specification of an objective that does not include the prioritization of our genetics somehow.
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- yoz-y 5y agoIt’s interesting that the idea of working hard to provide your children better lives is universally regarded as good, but inheriting a lot of wealth is more often that not seen as bad.
- catlifeonmars 5y agoHeh, it’s ok to give, but not to receive.