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Again the price-list is pure stupidity. And limiting the usage of a "Opensource" product is even more stupid. >It's free for less than 5 users and the "open so

by nix23 5y ago

Again the price-list is pure stupidity. And limiting the usage of a "Opensource" product is even more stupid. >It's free for less than 5 users and the "open source" That's not how Free (yes it's AGPL) and Opensource Software works. In fact i am not even sure if one could do that under the GPL. Give me ONE single other FOSS Project where you have such a restriction (remember it's not a service but software, running on MY instance), restricting the USE and function of the Software on YOUR Computer was probably the first or second point to even invent the GPL.

capableweb 5y ago
> Again the price-list is pure stupidity Could you try to specify why exactly you think so instead of just spewing your opinion without any sort of reasoning? > And limiting the usage of a "Opensource" product is even more stupid Again, why? You seem to be confusing the meaning of "free"/"gratis" with "open source". The code is public and released under the "GNU Affero General Public License", making it open source and even copy-left. What more can you ask for (besides "I WANT FREE/GRATIS SOFTWARE" which is what you seem to actually be annoyed about)
- nix23 5y ago
  >Again, why? Limiting the USE of a opensource product is a stupid thing todo. The great thing about OSS is that your NOT dependent on a Manufacturer, but here you are if you have more than 5 users (that makes it even worse). IF your are truly OSS don't restrict your product on usage, but present a great Support-Team. This is not better then ANY Microsoft product with it's CAL's, but MS is probably not going bankrupt in the next 5 years, DONT artificially restrict the USE of your Product!
  - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
    It's doesn't limit the use of the software, it limits the use of their instance. The licence is GPL, you can use it the way you want on your own machine.
    - omnicognate 5y ago
      It's not hosted afaict. They're selling support.
    - nix23 5y ago
      >It's doesn't limit the use of the software, it limits the use of their instance. Same same, it's Not a Service but Software, so it's MY instance. >The licence is GPL, you can use it the way you want on your own machine. That's the problem..i cant (5 User limit)...and btw it's AGPL
      - croes 5y ago
        Is the limit in open source code? If no, where is the problem, if yes, remove it, it's open source.
  - omnicognate 5y ago
    It is a bit weird. AFAICT this isn't a hosted service. It's AGPL code you host yourself, and yet as nix23 says, at https://grommunio.com/product/ https://grommunio.com/product/ there's: > Community > max. 5 user – free With no further explanation (the site isn't very clear generally). IANAL but I don't think you can do that with AGPL. If it's AGPL licensed and you're hosting it yourself you can use it for anything as long as you abide by the terms of the license (including the "Affero" bit). It would be different if this were (A)GPL code together with a hosted service you can use free with up to 5 users, but I think that's not what this is. Edit: The thing they're selling appears to be support and limiting free support to 5 users would be fine (and generous!) but they make it clear with Community you don't get any support so I don't see any basis for restricting the number of users.
solarengineer 5y ago
I read it as limiting the number of users of the downloadable ISO or VM appliance from their website. The code itself is PHP (server-side), Javascript (browser-side), and Python (API). I didn't click through the other components.
- omnicognate 5y ago
  They don't say anything to that effect, and I think they could only do that if they held the copyright to all the code (which I doubt they do) and released the ISO/VM under a different (non-GPL) license.

by nix23 5y ago

capableweb 5y ago

> Again the price-list is pure stupidity Could you try to specify why exactly you think so instead of just spewing your opinion without any sort of reasoning? > And limiting the usage of a "Opensource" product is even more stupid Again, why? You seem to be confusing the meaning of "free"/"gratis" with "open source". The code is public and released under the "GNU Affero General Public License", making it open source and even copy-left. What more can you ask for (besides "I WANT FREE/GRATIS SOFTWARE" which is what you seem to actually be annoyed about)

nix23 5y ago
>Again, why? Limiting the USE of a opensource product is a stupid thing todo. The great thing about OSS is that your NOT dependent on a Manufacturer, but here you are if you have more than 5 users (that makes it even worse). IF your are truly OSS don't restrict your product on usage, but present a great Support-Team. This is not better then ANY Microsoft product with it's CAL's, but MS is probably not going bankrupt in the next 5 years, DONT artificially restrict the USE of your Product!
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago
  It's doesn't limit the use of the software, it limits the use of their instance. The licence is GPL, you can use it the way you want on your own machine.
  - omnicognate 5y ago
    It's not hosted afaict. They're selling support.
  - nix23 5y ago
    >It's doesn't limit the use of the software, it limits the use of their instance. Same same, it's Not a Service but Software, so it's MY instance. >The licence is GPL, you can use it the way you want on your own machine. That's the problem..i cant (5 User limit)...and btw it's AGPL
    - croes 5y ago
      Is the limit in open source code? If no, where is the problem, if yes, remove it, it's open source.
- omnicognate 5y ago
  It is a bit weird. AFAICT this isn't a hosted service. It's AGPL code you host yourself, and yet as nix23 says, at https://grommunio.com/product/ https://grommunio.com/product/ there's: > Community > max. 5 user – free With no further explanation (the site isn't very clear generally). IANAL but I don't think you can do that with AGPL. If it's AGPL licensed and you're hosting it yourself you can use it for anything as long as you abide by the terms of the license (including the "Affero" bit). It would be different if this were (A)GPL code together with a hosted service you can use free with up to 5 users, but I think that's not what this is. Edit: The thing they're selling appears to be support and limiting free support to 5 users would be fine (and generous!) but they make it clear with Community you don't get any support so I don't see any basis for restricting the number of users.

solarengineer 5y ago

I read it as limiting the number of users of the downloadable ISO or VM appliance from their website. The code itself is PHP (server-side), Javascript (browser-side), and Python (API). I didn't click through the other components.

omnicognate 5y ago
They don't say anything to that effect, and I think they could only do that if they held the copyright to all the code (which I doubt they do) and released the ISO/VM under a different (non-GPL) license.