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> since that evidence is not subject to being hidden and is highly incentivized to find given it would be exculpatory Why? The wet markets in Wuhan were steril

by zhdc1 5y ago

> since that evidence is not subject to being hidden and is highly incentivized to find given it would be exculpatory Why? The wet markets in Wuhan were sterilized and emptied (meaning that the animals inside were removed, killed, and their carcasses disposed of) at the very start of the outbreak - several days before anyone had definitive evidence that SARS-CoV-2 could be transmitted by person to person contact. I'm sure that the Chinese government would love to have definitive evidence that SARS-CoV-2 is zoonotic, but that evidence likely went up in smoke (January 1st, 2020) weeks before anyone realized that COVID-19 would turn into a legitimate pandemic (January 23rd, 2020).

cfn 5y ago
I can't find the reference right now but the evidence can be gathered from hospital records. There is a progression in cases and some particularities that can be studied to establish the origin of a disease.
- zhdc1 5y ago
  > I can't find the reference right now but the evidence can be gathered from hospital records. This is why there has been a lot of attention on certain animals, such as raccoon dogs and minks. It turns out that a lot of the early infections linked to the various Wuhan markets were from shop owners and employees who either sold or were in close contact a small number of animal species. It also turns out that these animals can be infected by SARS-CoV-2. See https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/animal-sales-from-wuhan-wet-markets-immediately-prior-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/ https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/animal-sales-from-wuhan-wet-.... The issue is that (as far as I'm aware) there's no immediate evidence that SARS-CoV-2 jumped to humans from any of these animals, only that there was an (again, as far as I'm aware) unknown intermediary species. However, because the animals at the wet market were disposed of, there's no way to definitively link SARS-CoV-2 to them.
  - prox 5y ago
    Could a recombination be possible? So lab virus meets wild virus in zoonotic environment and sars-cov-2 appears?
- littlestymaar 5y ago
  For SARS ans MERS the evidence were “we found a variant of the virus before its mutation allowing it to jump to humans in civet/Camel”.

by zhdc1 5y ago

cfn 5y ago

I can't find the reference right now but the evidence can be gathered from hospital records. There is a progression in cases and some particularities that can be studied to establish the origin of a disease.

zhdc1 5y ago
> I can't find the reference right now but the evidence can be gathered from hospital records. This is why there has been a lot of attention on certain animals, such as raccoon dogs and minks. It turns out that a lot of the early infections linked to the various Wuhan markets were from shop owners and employees who either sold or were in close contact a small number of animal species. It also turns out that these animals can be infected by SARS-CoV-2. See https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/animal-sales-from-wuhan-wet-markets-immediately-prior-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/ https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/animal-sales-from-wuhan-wet-.... The issue is that (as far as I'm aware) there's no immediate evidence that SARS-CoV-2 jumped to humans from any of these animals, only that there was an (again, as far as I'm aware) unknown intermediary species. However, because the animals at the wet market were disposed of, there's no way to definitively link SARS-CoV-2 to them.
- prox 5y ago
  Could a recombination be possible? So lab virus meets wild virus in zoonotic environment and sars-cov-2 appears?
littlestymaar 5y ago
For SARS ans MERS the evidence were “we found a variant of the virus before its mutation allowing it to jump to humans in civet/Camel”.