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But Congress is not part of the government branch, it is part of the legislative branch.

by chithanh 5y ago

hdctambien 5y ago
There isn't a "government branch". The is legislative, executive, and judicial. They are all "the government".
- H8crilA 5y ago
  It's not just a technical distinction, the executive is under much stricter rules than the congress, which is only bound by the constitution (although it can also change that, with some extra steps). The debt ceiling is a great example. The executive cannot spend what congress hasn't authorized.
  - avs733 5y ago
    This is neither coherent not correct.
    - H8crilA 5y ago
      Well, thanks for explaining.
    - adolph 5y ago
      If it isn’t coherent, how can you tell?
  - hdctambien 5y ago
    I was explaining that there is no "government branch", but as someone else pointed out that may have just been a translation error. What you say about spending is correct. And, yeah, the differences between the legislative and executive branches are important and more than technicalities. I wouldn't say the executive branch is under "stricter rules" than the legislative branch. It just has different rules and different responsibilities. The legislative branch creates laws. The executive branch enforces/executes laws. The judicial branch makes sure those laws are constitutional and identifies their limits/scope. Of course there is some gray area as congress likes to give some of its powers to the executive branch so that they can say "that wasn't my idea" to unpopular ideas. Rather than make a law that says "forget about all that rent from last year" they would more likely make a law that says "someone in the executive branch has the power to say: forget about all that rent" The other route would be for the judicial branch to say the executive branch already has that power... But they just said it doesn't. And that's how the wheel of government turns... In the US
    - H8crilA 5y ago
      https://www.house.gov/the-house-explained/branches-of-government https://www.house.gov/the-house-explained/branches-of-govern...
- mannerheim 5y ago
  I think GP has a misunderstanding involving the difference between 'government' in the American English sense versus in other countries[0]: > In the United States, "government" is considered to be divided into three branches; the legislature (the House of Representatives and the Senate) which makes law, the Administration (under the President) which runs sections of government within the law, and the Courts, which adjudicate on matters of the law. This is a much wider meaning of "government" than exists in other countries where the term "government" means the ruling political force of the prime minister and his/her cabinet ministers (what Americans would call the Administration). I believe usually in countries with a parliamentary system, the government refers specifically to the executive branch, and neither the legislature nor the judiciary. [0]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/government#Usage_notes https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/government#Usage_notes

But Congress is not part of the government branch, it is part of the legislative branch.

hdctambien 5y ago

There isn't a "government branch". The is legislative, executive, and judicial. They are all "the government".

H8crilA 5y ago
It's not just a technical distinction, the executive is under much stricter rules than the congress, which is only bound by the constitution (although it can also change that, with some extra steps). The debt ceiling is a great example. The executive cannot spend what congress hasn't authorized.
- avs733 5y ago
  This is neither coherent not correct.
  - H8crilA 5y ago
    Well, thanks for explaining.
  - adolph 5y ago
    If it isn’t coherent, how can you tell?
- hdctambien 5y ago
  I was explaining that there is no "government branch", but as someone else pointed out that may have just been a translation error. What you say about spending is correct. And, yeah, the differences between the legislative and executive branches are important and more than technicalities. I wouldn't say the executive branch is under "stricter rules" than the legislative branch. It just has different rules and different responsibilities. The legislative branch creates laws. The executive branch enforces/executes laws. The judicial branch makes sure those laws are constitutional and identifies their limits/scope. Of course there is some gray area as congress likes to give some of its powers to the executive branch so that they can say "that wasn't my idea" to unpopular ideas. Rather than make a law that says "forget about all that rent from last year" they would more likely make a law that says "someone in the executive branch has the power to say: forget about all that rent" The other route would be for the judicial branch to say the executive branch already has that power... But they just said it doesn't. And that's how the wheel of government turns... In the US
  - H8crilA 5y ago
    https://www.house.gov/the-house-explained/branches-of-government https://www.house.gov/the-house-explained/branches-of-govern...
mannerheim 5y ago
I think GP has a misunderstanding involving the difference between 'government' in the American English sense versus in other countries[0]: > In the United States, "government" is considered to be divided into three branches; the legislature (the House of Representatives and the Senate) which makes law, the Administration (under the President) which runs sections of government within the law, and the Courts, which adjudicate on matters of the law. This is a much wider meaning of "government" than exists in other countries where the term "government" means the ruling political force of the prime minister and his/her cabinet ministers (what Americans would call the Administration). I believe usually in countries with a parliamentary system, the government refers specifically to the executive branch, and neither the legislature nor the judiciary. [0]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/government#Usage_notes https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/government#Usage_notes