> The main problem I see over and over with E2E tests is that they keep people from getting good at unit tests. I'd view that as a win then. Unit tests are nex

> The main problem I see over and over with E2E tests is that they keep people from getting good at unit tests. I'd view that as a win then. Unit tests are next to worthless for anything but tightly bound domains, like libraries, in most cases. They're actively harmful in things like application-level service code, where they're used to turn perfectly well-written code into a chockablock mess to satisfy "testibility".