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I don’t think there is any meaningful risk to getting the vaccine. But you asked for “why” so here goes: 1. I Have had covid and got over it. The fatality rate

by arrakis2021 5y ago

I don’t think there is any meaningful risk to getting the vaccine. But you asked for “why” so here goes: 1. I Have had covid and got over it. The fatality rate in my age group is <.1% There is simply no necessity. I am not going to get something I don’t need just because Pfizer needs to get paid. 2. I recall a half year’s worth of politicians and media saying not to trust “a rushed vaccine promoted by Trump.” Most people are not just going to conveniently forget that messaging. 3. I have yet to see any data that explains why my natural immunity is inferior to what’s provided by a vaccine. This would be a first. The “TruSt tHE ScIeNCe” crowd needs to explain why this is being ignored. Hope that helps.

quetzlbazaar 5y ago
Regarding 3., the reason it is being ignored is because it may dampen uptake of the vaccine by people who had already had and recovered from COVID. You probably were already aware this was a reason but just to clarify and in case. It's probable that being vaccinated can improve on your natural immunity[1], though since natural immunity can be comparable to or better than immunity from vaccination, it shouldn't be considered necessary in my opinion. At least in Israel, their Health Ministry is recommending people who have already had COVID need only get one dose, as a compromise.[2] [1]: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... [2]: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-study-recovered-covid-patients-with-one-vaccine-protected-like-three-doses-1.10195989 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-study-recovered-...
- arrakis2021 5y ago
  Oh yes you’re right I understand that reasoning, and I don’t necessarily disagree with it - but my point is that it’s still a reason for hesitation. That very act of avoiding the topic/suppressing it and pushing “specific science” makes lots of people - many who are very intelligent and aware - suspicious. Pretending that these people are conspiracists or of lower IQ is just counter productive, and will get nowhere.
  - nyokodo 5y ago
    > That very act of avoiding the topic/suppressing it and pushing “specific science” makes lots of people - many who are very intelligent and aware - suspicious. Suspicious of what exactly? The COVID vaccines aren’t very profitable, certainly not compared to the monoclonal antibodies, antivirals etc, of which the unvaccinated are the greatest consumers. However, the data is unequivocal on their effectiveness in drastically reducing negative outcomes. The vaccines being involved in political in-group out-group dynamics is bitterly regrettable, but that is circumstantial to whether there is legitimate suspicion of the vaccines.
    - zepto 5y ago
      Suppressing something that is true makes someone untrustworthy. You don’t need a theory of their motives to explain this.
      - nyokodo 5y ago
        > Suppressing something that is true makes someone untrustworthy. You don’t need a theory of their motives to explain this. That might be true if the people developing and testing the vaccine were the same people belittling natural immunity. From what I’ve seen that isn’t close to being an accurate characterization. Lumping them together is just the same behavior of which you accuse them, political. Should we be suspicious of you?
        zepto 5y ago
        > That might be true if the people developing and testing the vaccine were the same people belittling natural immunity. Why does it need to be confined to that group? > Lumping them together is just the same behavior of which you accuse them, political. Where do I accuse a group of something? Where do I “lump people together”. > Should we be suspicious of you? You are free to be suspicious of whoever you choose.
        nyokodo 5y ago

quetzlbazaar 5y ago

Regarding 3., the reason it is being ignored is because it may dampen uptake of the vaccine by people who had already had and recovered from COVID. You probably were already aware this was a reason but just to clarify and in case. It's probable that being vaccinated can improve on your natural immunity[1], though since natural immunity can be comparable to or better than immunity from vaccination, it shouldn't be considered necessary in my opinion. At least in Israel, their Health Ministry is recommending people who have already had COVID need only get one dose, as a compromise.[2] [1]: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... [2]: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-study-recovered-covid-patients-with-one-vaccine-protected-like-three-doses-1.10195989 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-study-recovered-...

arrakis2021 5y ago
Oh yes you’re right I understand that reasoning, and I don’t necessarily disagree with it - but my point is that it’s still a reason for hesitation. That very act of avoiding the topic/suppressing it and pushing “specific science” makes lots of people - many who are very intelligent and aware - suspicious. Pretending that these people are conspiracists or of lower IQ is just counter productive, and will get nowhere.
- nyokodo 5y ago
  > That very act of avoiding the topic/suppressing it and pushing “specific science” makes lots of people - many who are very intelligent and aware - suspicious. Suspicious of what exactly? The COVID vaccines aren’t very profitable, certainly not compared to the monoclonal antibodies, antivirals etc, of which the unvaccinated are the greatest consumers. However, the data is unequivocal on their effectiveness in drastically reducing negative outcomes. The vaccines being involved in political in-group out-group dynamics is bitterly regrettable, but that is circumstantial to whether there is legitimate suspicion of the vaccines.
  - zepto 5y ago
    Suppressing something that is true makes someone untrustworthy. You don’t need a theory of their motives to explain this.
    - nyokodo 5y ago
      > Suppressing something that is true makes someone untrustworthy. You don’t need a theory of their motives to explain this. That might be true if the people developing and testing the vaccine were the same people belittling natural immunity. From what I’ve seen that isn’t close to being an accurate characterization. Lumping them together is just the same behavior of which you accuse them, political. Should we be suspicious of you?
      - zepto 5y ago
        > That might be true if the people developing and testing the vaccine were the same people belittling natural immunity. Why does it need to be confined to that group? > Lumping them together is just the same behavior of which you accuse them, political. Where do I accuse a group of something? Where do I “lump people together”. > Should we be suspicious of you? You are free to be suspicious of whoever you choose.
        nyokodo 5y ago