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Uh, I disagree with a lot of the commenters here. I do think it had something to do with the "defund the police" movement, the BLM riots and the absolute unwill

Uh, I disagree with a lot of the commenters here. I do think it had something to do with the "defund the police" movement, the BLM riots and the absolute unwillingness of police agencies around the country to address crime. However, I can also acknowledge that keeping people shut out of their jobs and participation in public life is an easy way to forment social unrest.

vb6sp6 5y ago
Do you have and data or more thoughts on this? I ask because we tend to associate the police with "fighting crime" where the reality seems to be that they are mostly "responding to crime that has already happened". There will certainly be a few examples of police stopping crime in the moment but you would literally needs cops everywhere to even try to catch a decent percentage of violent crime that is committed.
- drekipus 5y ago
  > mostly "responding to crime that has already happened". Yes the police, and justice, are to act as a deterrent to crime, moreso than "respond before a crime happened" I highly suspect that the respect for the law has dropped, and with ideas of defunding the police, there's probably less resources as well. This is what was asked for.
  - vb6sp6 5y ago
    Is there data to suggest any of this?
    - drekipus 5y ago
      Data to suggest that the law is meant as a deterrent or data to suggest my suspicions? (Edit: because I don't think "data" can help you in either of these situations)
      - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
        Either way. Data. (It's not data only if it supports one side. Either it's data no matter which side it supports, or it's not data.)
        vb6sp6 5y ago
        Data suggests that murders aren't affected by deterrents like the death penalty: https://www.amnestyusa.org/a-clear-scientific-consensus-that-the-death-penalty-does-not-deter/ https://www.amnestyusa.org/a-clear-scientific-consensus-that... To claim that murders are up because people don't "respect" police seems absurd to me.
        Zababa 5y ago
        Is this commonly accepted that the death penalty is a deterrant? I always saw it mostly as a way to permanently remove some poeple from society. A dead person can hardly kill/hurt anyone.
        vb6sp6 5y ago
        It's a common talking point, yes.
rufus_foreman 5y ago
It wasn't just "defund the police" it was "abolish the police". I guess that's been forgotten already, which in a way would be a good thing since it would be a step back towards sanity, but major influential news organizations were publishing pieces that literally advocated abolishing the police.

vb6sp6 5y ago

Do you have and data or more thoughts on this? I ask because we tend to associate the police with "fighting crime" where the reality seems to be that they are mostly "responding to crime that has already happened". There will certainly be a few examples of police stopping crime in the moment but you would literally needs cops everywhere to even try to catch a decent percentage of violent crime that is committed.

drekipus 5y ago
> mostly "responding to crime that has already happened". Yes the police, and justice, are to act as a deterrent to crime, moreso than "respond before a crime happened" I highly suspect that the respect for the law has dropped, and with ideas of defunding the police, there's probably less resources as well. This is what was asked for.
- vb6sp6 5y ago
  Is there data to suggest any of this?
  - drekipus 5y ago
    Data to suggest that the law is meant as a deterrent or data to suggest my suspicions? (Edit: because I don't think "data" can help you in either of these situations)
    - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
      Either way. Data. (It's not data only if it supports one side. Either it's data no matter which side it supports, or it's not data.)
      - vb6sp6 5y ago
        Data suggests that murders aren't affected by deterrents like the death penalty: https://www.amnestyusa.org/a-clear-scientific-consensus-that-the-death-penalty-does-not-deter/ https://www.amnestyusa.org/a-clear-scientific-consensus-that... To claim that murders are up because people don't "respect" police seems absurd to me.
        Zababa 5y ago
        Is this commonly accepted that the death penalty is a deterrant? I always saw it mostly as a way to permanently remove some poeple from society. A dead person can hardly kill/hurt anyone.
        vb6sp6 5y ago
        It's a common talking point, yes.

rufus_foreman 5y ago

It wasn't just "defund the police" it was "abolish the police". I guess that's been forgotten already, which in a way would be a good thing since it would be a step back towards sanity, but major influential news organizations were publishing pieces that literally advocated abolishing the police.