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Here's my wording for anyone who can't see it due to it being flagged: """ *Temporarily, and partially thanks to the previous administration The infrastructur

by m_ke 5y ago

Here's my wording for anyone who can't see it due to it being flagged: """ *Temporarily, and partially thanks to the previous administration The infrastructure bill is about to fail due to a few corrupt corporate Democrats. """ It's more than just Sinema and Manchin, that's why I said a few corporate democrats: https://www.businessinsider.com/house-democrats-threaten-hold-up-spending-package-until-infrastructure-passed-2021-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/house-democrats-threaten-hol... I'm pretty left leaning by American standards and no fan of Trump, but you can't give Biden too much credit for reduction in childhood poverty when it's mostly due to the expanded unemployment benefits that were first before Biden was elected.

munk-a 5y ago
I absolutely understand what you were saying and I don't think you're incorrect - I just wanted to highlight that the wording was poorly chosen and could easily be misread. I personally have problems with clear communications myself all the time so I just wanted to provide a bit of feedback as to why it was called out as being flamebait - your core statement wouldn't start a flame war - but the way you said it wasn't the best.
- m_ke 5y ago
  I tried to match the tone of the headline in the article, especially the subtitle: "The Biden administration’s biggest success has not received enough attention".
jimbob45 5y ago
A lot of people fresh to the political process may not realize that this is a routine thing that happens on both sides of the aisle. For example, Lieberman in 2009 killed the public option[0] for his own party on Obamacare which would have gone a long ways toward forwarding the left's healthcare vision. Later on in 2017, Susan Collins, a Republican, voted to save Obamacare which very likely could have succeeded had she voted with her party[1] [0]https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/newsletter-article/senate-democrats-drop-public-option-woo-lieberman-and-liberals-howl https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/newsletter-art... [1]https://www.healthreformvotes.org/congress/300025 https://www.healthreformvotes.org/congress/300025
- m_ke 5y ago
  Another thing that some people don't realize is that this reconciliation bill could be the last attempt at Biden passing any meaningful legislation. If it fails dems are guaranteed to lose seats in the midterms, giving up their slim majority and effectively turning Biden into a lame duck president.
  - jimbob45 5y ago
    I'm happy to disagree with you on that one. Consider the actual Senate elections[0]. There are 20 R seats up vs 14 D seats. The R side is mathematically on the defense. In addition, if you look at the forecasts, most of the seats are foregone conclusions - we're down to ~5 seats that will be actual contests. This isn't to say one side will or will not win but neither side is likely to get the decisive win that each want. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_elec...
    - m_ke 5y ago
      I hope you're right but: 1. His approval numbers are tanking https://news.gallup.com/poll/354872/biden-approval-rating-hits-new-low-harris.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/354872/biden-approval-rating-hi... 2. Summer is just ending and we're up to 2000 Americans dying from COVID a day, once cold weather hits the northern states we'll probably see those numbers rise even more. 3. Thanks to the filibuster reconciliation is the only chance democrats have at passing anything through the senate. If the infrastructure deal fails we'll see none of the campaign promises pass. 4. Depending on how China handles Evergrande, there's a decent chance that we'll see the stock market tank in the next 6 months.
    - munk-a 5y ago
      As Bernie is getting a bit older he might chose this election to stand down as well - but even if a "republican" won the seat it'd be a VT Republican (maybe even Gov. Scott) so that race might be more interesting than it might appear now - but the conclusion is probably going to be pretty predictably liberal.

by m_ke 5y ago

munk-a 5y ago

I absolutely understand what you were saying and I don't think you're incorrect - I just wanted to highlight that the wording was poorly chosen and could easily be misread. I personally have problems with clear communications myself all the time so I just wanted to provide a bit of feedback as to why it was called out as being flamebait - your core statement wouldn't start a flame war - but the way you said it wasn't the best.

m_ke 5y ago
I tried to match the tone of the headline in the article, especially the subtitle: "The Biden administration’s biggest success has not received enough attention".

jimbob45 5y ago

A lot of people fresh to the political process may not realize that this is a routine thing that happens on both sides of the aisle. For example, Lieberman in 2009 killed the public option[0] for his own party on Obamacare which would have gone a long ways toward forwarding the left's healthcare vision. Later on in 2017, Susan Collins, a Republican, voted to save Obamacare which very likely could have succeeded had she voted with her party[1] [0]https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/newsletter-article/senate-democrats-drop-public-option-woo-lieberman-and-liberals-howl https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/newsletter-art... [1]https://www.healthreformvotes.org/congress/300025 https://www.healthreformvotes.org/congress/300025

m_ke 5y ago
Another thing that some people don't realize is that this reconciliation bill could be the last attempt at Biden passing any meaningful legislation. If it fails dems are guaranteed to lose seats in the midterms, giving up their slim majority and effectively turning Biden into a lame duck president.
- jimbob45 5y ago
  I'm happy to disagree with you on that one. Consider the actual Senate elections[0]. There are 20 R seats up vs 14 D seats. The R side is mathematically on the defense. In addition, if you look at the forecasts, most of the seats are foregone conclusions - we're down to ~5 seats that will be actual contests. This isn't to say one side will or will not win but neither side is likely to get the decisive win that each want. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_elec...
  - m_ke 5y ago
    I hope you're right but: 1. His approval numbers are tanking https://news.gallup.com/poll/354872/biden-approval-rating-hits-new-low-harris.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/354872/biden-approval-rating-hi... 2. Summer is just ending and we're up to 2000 Americans dying from COVID a day, once cold weather hits the northern states we'll probably see those numbers rise even more. 3. Thanks to the filibuster reconciliation is the only chance democrats have at passing anything through the senate. If the infrastructure deal fails we'll see none of the campaign promises pass. 4. Depending on how China handles Evergrande, there's a decent chance that we'll see the stock market tank in the next 6 months.
  - munk-a 5y ago
    As Bernie is getting a bit older he might chose this election to stand down as well - but even if a "republican" won the seat it'd be a VT Republican (maybe even Gov. Scott) so that race might be more interesting than it might appear now - but the conclusion is probably going to be pretty predictably liberal.