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Someone being in prison simply for being of a certain ethnicity isn't the same as someone being in prison for crimes. Even if the root of those crimes might be

Someone being in prison simply for being of a certain ethnicity isn't the same as someone being in prison for crimes. Even if the root of those crimes might be complex socio-economic factors like discrimination and income inequality. In addition, the level of human rights prisoners get in the US is far beyond what any Uighur experiences. Right to a lawyer, right to appeal convictions, visits from family members. It's really a false equivalency.

r00fus 5y ago
> Someone being in prison simply for being of a certain ethnicity isn't the same as someone being in prison for crimes. Even when policing in the US is so completely racially motivated? Driving (hell, biking/walking/breathing) while black is a reality of the US carceral system. The last year has really shown the world that US policing and incarceration is completely broken and highly resistant to even governance change (who's in charge of whom?) I'm not saying what China does with the Uyghur population is right. Just that the US is not far away. Hell, look at the border detention centers.
pempem 5y ago
A version of your comment from the PRC perspective would be: "These people are at the wrong mix of discrimination and are poor because they refuse to follow our laws and participate in our system. They have a right to convert, a right to appeal, and a right to negotiate by turning in family and friends who refuse to follow our laws." In fact discrimination would be the basis on which they are putting people to work, in camps. Additionally and separately: every single thing you've mentioned (right to a lawyer, right to appeal, even visits and costs of phone calls) have been shown to be stacked against low income, blue collar, or minority citizens repeatedly. A quick google search of "right to [x]" "poor defendants" or "black defendants" will clean this misapprehension right up for you. https://lmgtfy.app/?q=right+to+a+lawyer+%2B+poor+defendants https://lmgtfy.app/?q=right+to+a+lawyer+%2B+poor+defendants
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r00fus 5y ago

> Someone being in prison simply for being of a certain ethnicity isn't the same as someone being in prison for crimes. Even when policing in the US is so completely racially motivated? Driving (hell, biking/walking/breathing) while black is a reality of the US carceral system. The last year has really shown the world that US policing and incarceration is completely broken and highly resistant to even governance change (who's in charge of whom?) I'm not saying what China does with the Uyghur population is right. Just that the US is not far away. Hell, look at the border detention centers.

pempem 5y ago

A version of your comment from the PRC perspective would be: "These people are at the wrong mix of discrimination and are poor because they refuse to follow our laws and participate in our system. They have a right to convert, a right to appeal, and a right to negotiate by turning in family and friends who refuse to follow our laws." In fact discrimination would be the basis on which they are putting people to work, in camps. Additionally and separately: every single thing you've mentioned (right to a lawyer, right to appeal, even visits and costs of phone calls) have been shown to be stacked against low income, blue collar, or minority citizens repeatedly. A quick google search of "right to [x]" "poor defendants" or "black defendants" will clean this misapprehension right up for you. https://lmgtfy.app/?q=right+to+a+lawyer+%2B+poor+defendants https://lmgtfy.app/?q=right+to+a+lawyer+%2B+poor+defendants

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