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It's not partisan, the child tax credit that gives parents $300/month/child that was included in the "American Rescue Plan" expires at the end of the year. [1]

by m_ke 5y ago

It's not partisan, the child tax credit that gives parents $300/month/child that was included in the "American Rescue Plan" expires at the end of the year. [1] The new infrastructure bill was supposed to include free childcare and other benefits but it's looking like it will get killed by Manchin and Sinema. [1] "The American Rescue Plan allows families to opt in to receive the monthly payments from July 15 until Dec. 15, 2021." - https://www.forbes.com/advisor/taxes/will-i-receive-the-child-tax-credit-in-2022/ https://www.forbes.com/advisor/taxes/will-i-receive-the-chil...

munk-a 5y ago
I feel like the wording in your original post was particularly poor though - instead of focusing in on those two as individuals you attributed the issue to democrats as a whole - and also omitted that the bill would also pass quite easily if, say, Rand Paul and Ted Cruz decided to vote for it. You mentioned that it passed due to the previous administration (a republican administration) and was now in danger (under a democratic administration) due to corrupt democrats. It's a guideline on HN to always read things as charitably as possible but the wording here was really really poor and could easily be read as a proposition that the democrats were torpedoing something championed by republicans. Additionally - specifically pulling political parties into the discussion will always make the discourse degrade.
- m_ke 5y ago
  Here's my wording for anyone who can't see it due to it being flagged: """ *Temporarily, and partially thanks to the previous administration The infrastructure bill is about to fail due to a few corrupt corporate Democrats. """ It's more than just Sinema and Manchin, that's why I said a few corporate democrats: https://www.businessinsider.com/house-democrats-threaten-hold-up-spending-package-until-infrastructure-passed-2021-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/house-democrats-threaten-hol... I'm pretty left leaning by American standards and no fan of Trump, but you can't give Biden too much credit for reduction in childhood poverty when it's mostly due to the expanded unemployment benefits that were first before Biden was elected.
  - munk-a 5y ago
    I absolutely understand what you were saying and I don't think you're incorrect - I just wanted to highlight that the wording was poorly chosen and could easily be misread. I personally have problems with clear communications myself all the time so I just wanted to provide a bit of feedback as to why it was called out as being flamebait - your core statement wouldn't start a flame war - but the way you said it wasn't the best.
    - m_ke 5y ago
      I tried to match the tone of the headline in the article, especially the subtitle: "The Biden administration’s biggest success has not received enough attention".
  - jimbob45 5y ago
    A lot of people fresh to the political process may not realize that this is a routine thing that happens on both sides of the aisle. For example, Lieberman in 2009 killed the public option[0] for his own party on Obamacare which would have gone a long ways toward forwarding the left's healthcare vision. Later on in 2017, Susan Collins, a Republican, voted to save Obamacare which very likely could have succeeded had she voted with her party[1] [0]https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/newsletter-article/senate-democrats-drop-public-option-woo-lieberman-and-liberals-howl https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/newsletter-art... [1]https://www.healthreformvotes.org/congress/300025 https://www.healthreformvotes.org/congress/300025
    - m_ke 5y ago
      Another thing that some people don't realize is that this reconciliation bill could be the last attempt at Biden passing any meaningful legislation. If it fails dems are guaranteed to lose seats in the midterms, giving up their slim majority and effectively turning Biden into a lame duck president.
      - jimbob45 5y ago
        I'm happy to disagree with you on that one. Consider the actual Senate elections[0]. There are 20 R seats up vs 14 D seats. The R side is mathematically on the defense. In addition, if you look at the forecasts, most of the seats are foregone conclusions - we're down to ~5 seats that will be actual contests. This isn't to say one side will or will not win but neither side is likely to get the decisive win that each want. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_elec...
dang 5y ago
The last sentence of your GP comment was obviously flamebait. That's what we ask people not to post here. Let's not quibble over what counts as "partisan"—all political flamewar is something we're trying to avoid here.
- m_ke 5y ago
  It was not meant to be flamebait, I'm a democrat and Manchin is clearly a corrupt corporate stooge. Here's an Exxon exec confirming on tape that Manchin is his go to guy and they want the infrastructure deal killed because it would raise corporate taxes: https://youtu.be/xs0xAS2mLtg?t=108 https://youtu.be/xs0xAS2mLtg?t=108
  - dang 5y ago
    I believe you, but short, intense, name-calling ("corrupt") political battle comments are flamebait. We have to go by effects rather than by intent. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=troll%20effects%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

by m_ke 5y ago

munk-a 5y ago

I feel like the wording in your original post was particularly poor though - instead of focusing in on those two as individuals you attributed the issue to democrats as a whole - and also omitted that the bill would also pass quite easily if, say, Rand Paul and Ted Cruz decided to vote for it. You mentioned that it passed due to the previous administration (a republican administration) and was now in danger (under a democratic administration) due to corrupt democrats. It's a guideline on HN to always read things as charitably as possible but the wording here was really really poor and could easily be read as a proposition that the democrats were torpedoing something championed by republicans. Additionally - specifically pulling political parties into the discussion will always make the discourse degrade.

m_ke 5y ago
Here's my wording for anyone who can't see it due to it being flagged: """ *Temporarily, and partially thanks to the previous administration The infrastructure bill is about to fail due to a few corrupt corporate Democrats. """ It's more than just Sinema and Manchin, that's why I said a few corporate democrats: https://www.businessinsider.com/house-democrats-threaten-hold-up-spending-package-until-infrastructure-passed-2021-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/house-democrats-threaten-hol... I'm pretty left leaning by American standards and no fan of Trump, but you can't give Biden too much credit for reduction in childhood poverty when it's mostly due to the expanded unemployment benefits that were first before Biden was elected.
- munk-a 5y ago
  I absolutely understand what you were saying and I don't think you're incorrect - I just wanted to highlight that the wording was poorly chosen and could easily be misread. I personally have problems with clear communications myself all the time so I just wanted to provide a bit of feedback as to why it was called out as being flamebait - your core statement wouldn't start a flame war - but the way you said it wasn't the best.
  - m_ke 5y ago
    I tried to match the tone of the headline in the article, especially the subtitle: "The Biden administration’s biggest success has not received enough attention".
- jimbob45 5y ago
  A lot of people fresh to the political process may not realize that this is a routine thing that happens on both sides of the aisle. For example, Lieberman in 2009 killed the public option[0] for his own party on Obamacare which would have gone a long ways toward forwarding the left's healthcare vision. Later on in 2017, Susan Collins, a Republican, voted to save Obamacare which very likely could have succeeded had she voted with her party[1] [0]https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/newsletter-article/senate-democrats-drop-public-option-woo-lieberman-and-liberals-howl https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/newsletter-art... [1]https://www.healthreformvotes.org/congress/300025 https://www.healthreformvotes.org/congress/300025
  - m_ke 5y ago
    Another thing that some people don't realize is that this reconciliation bill could be the last attempt at Biden passing any meaningful legislation. If it fails dems are guaranteed to lose seats in the midterms, giving up their slim majority and effectively turning Biden into a lame duck president.
    - jimbob45 5y ago
      I'm happy to disagree with you on that one. Consider the actual Senate elections[0]. There are 20 R seats up vs 14 D seats. The R side is mathematically on the defense. In addition, if you look at the forecasts, most of the seats are foregone conclusions - we're down to ~5 seats that will be actual contests. This isn't to say one side will or will not win but neither side is likely to get the decisive win that each want. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_elec...

dang 5y ago

The last sentence of your GP comment was obviously flamebait. That's what we ask people not to post here. Let's not quibble over what counts as "partisan"—all political flamewar is something we're trying to avoid here.

m_ke 5y ago
It was not meant to be flamebait, I'm a democrat and Manchin is clearly a corrupt corporate stooge. Here's an Exxon exec confirming on tape that Manchin is his go to guy and they want the infrastructure deal killed because it would raise corporate taxes: https://youtu.be/xs0xAS2mLtg?t=108 https://youtu.be/xs0xAS2mLtg?t=108
- dang 5y ago
  I believe you, but short, intense, name-calling ("corrupt") political battle comments are flamebait. We have to go by effects rather than by intent. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=troll%20effects%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...