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Did the Trump/Russia thing actually matter? The whole thing just seemed like a clickbait scam for liberals who - let's be honest - were always going to vote aga

Did the Trump/Russia thing actually matter? The whole thing just seemed like a clickbait scam for liberals who - let's be honest - were always going to vote against Trump. It sounds like swing voters didn't really care about Trump's scandals - they perhaps were just frustrated with his conduct and handling of the pandemic and ensuing social unrest.

WoahNoun 5y ago
Yes it matters. It was an attack on our democracy and national security by an aggressive foreign adversary.
- aaomidi 5y ago
  ~Lmao, the indictment is specifically that Russiagate was fabricated and there was a huge conspiracy lying about it.~ This was misleading due to me misunderstanding and my own biases.
  - happytoexplain 5y ago
    This doesn't appear to be true - as another commenter pointed out: "the only thing here is speculation on the motivation of the delivery of the information, not on the veracity of the information"
  - WoahNoun 5y ago
    The indictment is about whether the lawyer who sent a computer scientist's DNS analysis lied to the FBI about whether he was bringing the analysis on behalf of anyone. He said No, but was working for the Clinton campaign at the time. The indictment doesn't challenge the contents of the analysis and the lawyer claims this was unrelated to his work on/for the campaign. They better have some hard evidence that the Clinton campaign directed him to go to the FBI or the Trump special prosecutor will lose this case badly. As least try and understand the details of what is going on.
    - nzmsv 5y ago
      Of course it's completely unrelated. All lawyers are interested in DNS sniffing, haven't you heard? It's going to be more popular with that crowd than golf soon! /s
      - WoahNoun 5y ago
        He has a career as a cybersecurity lawyer. This isn't some random ambulance chaser.
    - aaomidi 5y ago
      Oh jolly. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
nicodjimenez 5y ago
The Russia thing was cover for politicians (such as the Clintons, who have served on boards of WalMart etc, and of course the Bidens) who had been selling out US interests to that other country which many consider to be the main adversary to the US. Planting the idea that it was Russia, and not that other country, that was really interfering in US domestic politics, was a very important distraction. A lot of people in the US think that Russia is the main enemy of the US. Can't make this stuff up!
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  I can't tell if you're satirically impersonating a conspiracy theorist ("insert country here"), or if you do actually have a country in mind and are not saying it as some form of sarcasm.
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    In case this is a real lack of understanding instead of a pretend one: " that other country which many consider to be the main adversary to the US". If it's not Russia, there's pretty much only one choice left (unless you're deliberately trying to misunderstand).
  - nicodjimenez 5y ago
    Self censorship is the best way to keep your __ credit score high.
    - linuxftw 5y ago
      I tend to do the same about that other country. Too dangerous to name it, too many lists. What if you're on a flight that gets diverted there? I don't want to end up in a camp.
- smt88 5y ago
  > A lot of people in the US think that Russia is the main enemy of the US. That depends on how you define "the main enemy". I'm not sure why the distinction between #1 and #2 enemies matters, anyway. Russia may not be the #1 enemy, but it is certainly among the top 2 enemies and perhaps the most likely to succeed in destabilizing the US as the most powerful country. China is attempting many of the same tactics as Russia, but their success seems to be more limited (and their open authoritarianism, as opposed to Russia's façade of democracy, is easier for Americans to identify as objectively evil, regardless of their level of hostility toward the US).
happytoexplain 5y ago
>It sounds like swing voters didn't really care about Trump's scandals Really? My impression was that they were the only ones who cared (in the sense that they could make a decision one way or the other, as opposed to being fated to a decision by one's sociopolitical loyalties/hatreds).

WoahNoun 5y ago

Yes it matters. It was an attack on our democracy and national security by an aggressive foreign adversary.

aaomidi 5y ago
~Lmao, the indictment is specifically that Russiagate was fabricated and there was a huge conspiracy lying about it.~ This was misleading due to me misunderstanding and my own biases.
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  This doesn't appear to be true - as another commenter pointed out: "the only thing here is speculation on the motivation of the delivery of the information, not on the veracity of the information"
- WoahNoun 5y ago
  The indictment is about whether the lawyer who sent a computer scientist's DNS analysis lied to the FBI about whether he was bringing the analysis on behalf of anyone. He said No, but was working for the Clinton campaign at the time. The indictment doesn't challenge the contents of the analysis and the lawyer claims this was unrelated to his work on/for the campaign. They better have some hard evidence that the Clinton campaign directed him to go to the FBI or the Trump special prosecutor will lose this case badly. As least try and understand the details of what is going on.
  - nzmsv 5y ago
    Of course it's completely unrelated. All lawyers are interested in DNS sniffing, haven't you heard? It's going to be more popular with that crowd than golf soon! /s
    - WoahNoun 5y ago
      He has a career as a cybersecurity lawyer. This isn't some random ambulance chaser.
  - aaomidi 5y ago
    Oh jolly. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

nicodjimenez 5y ago

The Russia thing was cover for politicians (such as the Clintons, who have served on boards of WalMart etc, and of course the Bidens) who had been selling out US interests to that other country which many consider to be the main adversary to the US. Planting the idea that it was Russia, and not that other country, that was really interfering in US domestic politics, was a very important distraction. A lot of people in the US think that Russia is the main enemy of the US. Can't make this stuff up!

happytoexplain 5y ago
I can't tell if you're satirically impersonating a conspiracy theorist ("insert country here"), or if you do actually have a country in mind and are not saying it as some form of sarcasm.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  In case this is a real lack of understanding instead of a pretend one: " that other country which many consider to be the main adversary to the US". If it's not Russia, there's pretty much only one choice left (unless you're deliberately trying to misunderstand).
- nicodjimenez 5y ago
  Self censorship is the best way to keep your __ credit score high.
  - linuxftw 5y ago
    I tend to do the same about that other country. Too dangerous to name it, too many lists. What if you're on a flight that gets diverted there? I don't want to end up in a camp.
smt88 5y ago
> A lot of people in the US think that Russia is the main enemy of the US. That depends on how you define "the main enemy". I'm not sure why the distinction between #1 and #2 enemies matters, anyway. Russia may not be the #1 enemy, but it is certainly among the top 2 enemies and perhaps the most likely to succeed in destabilizing the US as the most powerful country. China is attempting many of the same tactics as Russia, but their success seems to be more limited (and their open authoritarianism, as opposed to Russia's façade of democracy, is easier for Americans to identify as objectively evil, regardless of their level of hostility toward the US).

happytoexplain 5y ago

>It sounds like swing voters didn't really care about Trump's scandals Really? My impression was that they were the only ones who cared (in the sense that they could make a decision one way or the other, as opposed to being fated to a decision by one's sociopolitical loyalties/hatreds).