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> All newer Dell laptops now use the Microsoft Modern Standby. So let me guess: "modern" here is indicates a shitty new thing that doesn't work as well as the

> All newer Dell laptops now use the Microsoft Modern Standby. So let me guess: "modern" here is indicates a shitty new thing that doesn't work as well as the old thing. ...after further reading, yep: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/modern-standby https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/dev... > On occasion, the system stays in the active mode (with the screen off) for a longer interval of time. These longer active intervals occur for a variety of reasons, for example, processing incoming email or downloading critical Windows updates. Windows components that are allowed to leave the SoC in the active power state are called activators because they are registered with the power manager as capable of blocking the transition back to the idle power mode. The durations of these activities vary widely but are controlled to extend battery life. The durations of the activities can be viewed with the built-in SleepStudy software tool or through Event Tracing for Windows (ETW)-based instrumentation.

chippiewill 5y ago
It's not just Microsoft's fault. Intel have completely removed S3 sleep from the latest Tigerlake chips so even if you run Linux you end up with the same problem.
- vbernat 5y ago
  Lenovo is able to add it back as an option in the BIOS. This is the case for P14s Gen 2 and X1 Carbon Gen 9.
- fulafel 5y ago
  S3 is an ACPI concept, not a hardware one.
  - zamadatix 5y ago
    https://www.reddit.com/r/System76/comments/k7xrtz/comment/gev9mkp/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/System76/comments/k7xrtz/comment/ge...
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    - fulafel 5y ago
      This sounds like they aren't working on their own ACPI implementation, and are at the mercy of whoever is providing it (motherboard or bios vendor? intel?). Hence conflating hw and firmware and not using precise terminology. Elsewhere in comments here it's claimed that eg Lenovo implemented S3 on these CPUs.
boznz 5y ago
Sounds like government needs to step in if its a safety hazard
lvs 5y ago
This truly an antifeature.
- nielsbot 5y ago
  Similar to PowerNap from Apple https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/what-is-power-nap-mh40773/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/what-is-power-nap-m... Although I don't think Apple recommends not keeping your laptop in a bag.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > Similar to PowerNap from Apple That seems pretty easy to turn off. I just checked my Mac and it's disabled, and the description around the setting was clear enough for me to know I didn't want to touch it with a ten foot pole.
    - bilbo0s 5y ago
      There's the key. Windows wouldn't be so terrible if you could turn things off. As it stands, I just feel a lot more comfortable using apple or linux or any unix based system basically.
  - alanh 5y ago
    FWIW: 1) Looking at System Preferences right now, the setting for Power Nap reads as follows: > [x] Enable Power Nap while plugged into a power adapter > While sleeping, your Mac can back up using Time Machine and periodically check fro new email, calendar, and other iCloud updates This indicates that it should not have any affect on a sleeping MacBook in a bag (presumably disconnected from power). 2) That said, I have on rare occasions found a former work-issued MacBook Pro to be hot to the touch when removed from my bag after a commute. I assumed this was some bug (not a feature), and I can neither rule out nor implicate the involvement of the nanny software installed by IT.
    - nielsbot 5y ago
      If you switch to the Battery tab in Energy/Battery preferences, it's there: "Enable Power Nap while on battery power"
userbinator 5y ago
So let me guess: "modern" here is indicates a shitty new thing that doesn't work as well as the old thing. Funny how the software industry has managed to turn the connotation of "modern" for me from "neutral/slightly positive" to "definite negative" in around a decade.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  Same here. Hey, one positive: It shows that, greybeard as I am, I'm still able to adapt to changing circumstances. (Well, at least circumstances changing over the course of a decade or so; no guarantee for anything faster than that.)

chippiewill 5y ago

It's not just Microsoft's fault. Intel have completely removed S3 sleep from the latest Tigerlake chips so even if you run Linux you end up with the same problem.

vbernat 5y ago
Lenovo is able to add it back as an option in the BIOS. This is the case for P14s Gen 2 and X1 Carbon Gen 9.
fulafel 5y ago
S3 is an ACPI concept, not a hardware one.
- zamadatix 5y ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/System76/comments/k7xrtz/comment/gev9mkp/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/System76/comments/k7xrtz/comment/ge...
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  - fulafel 5y ago
    This sounds like they aren't working on their own ACPI implementation, and are at the mercy of whoever is providing it (motherboard or bios vendor? intel?). Hence conflating hw and firmware and not using precise terminology. Elsewhere in comments here it's claimed that eg Lenovo implemented S3 on these CPUs.

boznz 5y ago

Sounds like government needs to step in if its a safety hazard

lvs 5y ago

This truly an antifeature.

nielsbot 5y ago
Similar to PowerNap from Apple https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/what-is-power-nap-mh40773/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/what-is-power-nap-m... Although I don't think Apple recommends not keeping your laptop in a bag.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Similar to PowerNap from Apple That seems pretty easy to turn off. I just checked my Mac and it's disabled, and the description around the setting was clear enough for me to know I didn't want to touch it with a ten foot pole.
  - bilbo0s 5y ago
    There's the key. Windows wouldn't be so terrible if you could turn things off. As it stands, I just feel a lot more comfortable using apple or linux or any unix based system basically.
- alanh 5y ago
  FWIW: 1) Looking at System Preferences right now, the setting for Power Nap reads as follows: > [x] Enable Power Nap while plugged into a power adapter > While sleeping, your Mac can back up using Time Machine and periodically check fro new email, calendar, and other iCloud updates This indicates that it should not have any affect on a sleeping MacBook in a bag (presumably disconnected from power). 2) That said, I have on rare occasions found a former work-issued MacBook Pro to be hot to the touch when removed from my bag after a commute. I assumed this was some bug (not a feature), and I can neither rule out nor implicate the involvement of the nanny software installed by IT.
  - nielsbot 5y ago
    If you switch to the Battery tab in Energy/Battery preferences, it's there: "Enable Power Nap while on battery power"

userbinator 5y ago

So let me guess: "modern" here is indicates a shitty new thing that doesn't work as well as the old thing. Funny how the software industry has managed to turn the connotation of "modern" for me from "neutral/slightly positive" to "definite negative" in around a decade.

CRConrad 5y ago
Same here. Hey, one positive: It shows that, greybeard as I am, I'm still able to adapt to changing circumstances. (Well, at least circumstances changing over the course of a decade or so; no guarantee for anything faster than that.)