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> Phones from 10 years ago don't work any more because wireless companies are dropping 3G. This is because of a phase mismatch - a phone bought 10 years ago wo
by fouric 5y ago
> Phones from 10 years ago don't work any more because wireless companies are dropping 3G.
This is because of a phase mismatch - a phone bought 10 years ago would have been in the middle of the 3G lifetime. 3G started getting adopted in 2002-ish and had ~200M users in 2007 according to WP[1]. That's between a 13 and 20 year window for usage - which overlapped with 4G during the tail decade (or so), so, in fact, there's a good chance that a 10-year-old phone would work today because it could have been released with a 4G radio (and, if it was built to be a 10-year phone, it absolutely would have had one).
> If the goal is to make parts replaceable to reduce waste, what is the difference between keeping a phone for five years and throwing it away to buy a new one, then keeping that for five years, vs replacing all the parts in "one" phone over a ten year period? Two complete sets of parts are used.
Different parts have different Mean Times Between Failure (MTBF), so you don't end up replacing all parts at equal rates. CPUs tend to last far longer than batteries and screens - having a repairable phone means that you can replace the battery several times over a 10-year lifespan, whereas you're almost never going to replace the CPU.
That is, buying two five-year phones results in you paying for two CPUs, two batteries, two baseband modems, and two of everything, regardless of which component in the first actually failed. Buying one ten-year repairable phone results in you paying for one CPU, one baseband modem, one display driver, ..., ...and two batteries. Far less e-waste. Every time a non-repairable phone breaks, you have to throw the whole thing out. Most times a repairable phone breaks, you can fix what's broken.
Additionally, he MTBF of a composite, non-repairable device is lower than the MTBF of its least reliable component - meaning that (theoretically - I'm ignoring the durability costs of building dis-integrated devices) it's more expensive to build a single, non-repairable device that lasts five years than to build a device composed of components that will individually last five years each.
> What is the difference between ten people owning ten 10 year phones, and ten people each handing down a phone that one person bought new?
As it stands, most phones sold nowadays won't last 10 years, so the latter scenario doesn't really happen. Some manufacturers (Apple) make relatively reliable devices, but those come with severe freedom and privacy restrictions (the argument is that reparability should be a right, not a feature of a particular company), and their devices are infamously non-repairable.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G#Adoption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G#Adoption
- lowbloodsugar 5y ago>Buying one ten-year repairable phone results in you paying for one CPU, one baseband modem, one display driver, ..., ...and two batteries. Which is it? I need to be able to replace everything or just the battery? Is there a problem with replacing batteries in current phones? The free phone I got from AT&T came with the battery separate, so that one is fine. I have had third parties replace batteries in iPhones. >but those come with severe freedom and privacy restrictions Ironically, I find the opposite is true, because my freedoms and privacy are not violated by Apple, but by the shitware you find on Android phones. And if you mean the "freedom" to choose between paying Apple or Epic, well I prefer the freedom to choose a phone that just works. If you value the "freedom" of paying Epic, then you have the freedom to buy an Android phone. But you don't really want Freedom, you want what you want to apply to everyone else. I choose Apple. You don't have to. Demanding that my preference be eliminated is the antithesis of Freedom. >their devices are infamously non-repairable non-repairable by others. I've had iPhones repaired by Apple several times. Like the Epic issue, you could buy an Android phone which would meet all your requirements, but you want an Apple phone, and then complain that it doesn't have the "freedoms" of an Android phone. You seem unable to see that the very reasons why you want the Apple phone are a direct result of the policies you complain about. Put the other way, the reasons you don't want an Android are because they have "Freedom" that allows malware to proliferate, or are "repairable" but manufacturing tolerances caused by having to fit multiple parts from multiple vendors means things break or disconnect or you get a bad batch, and the assembler can't support upgrades to the new OS because it's just too expensive to support all the different combinations of driver binaries, so old, unpatched Android for you forever. Make your 10 year phone. The company wont be around in 10 years and you'll have a rooted virus fest or a brick. The planet wont be around in 10 years, but fuck me, you'll have done your part right? Look at me and my ten friends! There's gigatons of CO2 to support the internet and mobile phone network, but I replaced my mobile phone battery instead of buying a new phone!