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Delta wants other airlines to share 'no-fly' lists of unruly passengers
- verdverm 5y agoAre people still allowed to learn from mistakes these days?
- 5bolts 5y agoif they got on jet blue's list for being an asshole sure... let them try someplace else. but if they attacked flight crew? ban them across the board, for life.... no reason to ever need to hit a flight attendant, and they shouldn't have to live in fear from an aggressive passenger...
- verdverm 5y agoI think you missed the larger context and idea here. Have you ever made a mistake, say a speeding ticket? What if you could not do that thing again for the rest of your life? Is a criminal once a criminal forever? Why do we let people out of prison? Note, the vast majority of airline "unruliness" is verbal not physical
- u801e 5y ago> Have you ever made a mistake, say a speeding ticket? The vast majority of motorists have exceeded the posted speed limit intentionally or not. But only a small minority will get into a physical altercation with the police officer that's issuing a citation.
- verdverm 5y agoHence the idea that most unruliness is verbal not physical. Most airline incidents do not involve physical altercation, yet you could get banned from all airlines? That would be like getting a traffic ticket and having your license revoked. Typically that happens with repeat infractions
- pope_meat 5y agoA criminal once is a criminal forever. I don't agree with that idea, but that's effectively how things work, you might find exceptions to the rule, but once your reputation is tainted with a legal charge, it follows you forever within society.
- verdverm 5y agoSo forgiveness is gone forever?
- pope_meat 5y agoHopefully not, but at the present moment everyone* in society is calling for blood over every little* thing. *Not literally, but it feels that way/my perceived experience.
- verdverm 5y agoI agree, Joe Rogan closed a recent podcast with a great thought on this. Paraphrasing, we are all Americans, we need to remember that though we have different views we have far more in common and we can only get better by coming together.
- mindslight 5y agoI would be surprised to see even a single example of a person getting belligerent enough to a flight crew to get put on an airline's ban list, who then goes and does the exact same thing at another airline. I would surmise that most people are going to be extremely regretful after the reality of the first incident sets in. And even those that somehow don't accept being in the wrong, are still going to realize that fighting another battle on a different plane isn't an effective path to their goal. I'd say that making passenger bans more uniform is actually just another part of the trend of hyperreality that is causing hysteria in the first place.
- sorethescore 5y agoMistakes have consequences, doesn't mean you can't still learn from them.
- jwilber 5y agoOne can just as easily flip this massive generalization: are people still supposed to face consequences these days? They’re adults. They’re more than capable of knowing the consequences and acting accordingly. I’ve been on over 100 flights. I’ve never seen an incident in person. Most people behave. The children kicking the seats are common enough, let’s not encourage adult tantrums.
- elmerfud 5y agoDelta is one of the better airlines but when you herd and shuffle people around like animals, they're bound to lash out like animals. Well no one wants to be trapped in an enclosed space with an unruly person and we act as if the only solution is banning people and potentially tossing them into an even smaller enclosed space that will reinforce their bad behavior. Why would we continue to propose ideas to bolster no fly lists when they clearly haven't had the desired outcome of not having passengers become unruly. It's not preventing a problem. Instead airline companies or possibly the requirements of government regulations the need to make the airlines treat people like humans. Provide seats that accommodate people, provide legroom that accommodate people, provide personal space that accommodates people. Yes all of this cuts into profit margins but the sole pursuit of profit margins has not produced a better experience and has not produced a safer experience.
- m-p-3 5y ago> Why would we continue to propose ideas to bolster no fly lists when they clearly haven't had the desired outcome of not having passengers become unruly. Like prison, the idea is that the consequences are normally a sufficient deterrent. The fact that it isn't always sufficient is not a reason to remove those consequences. I do however believe in rehabilitation, and maybe a program that banned passengers needs to follow to be taken of the no-fly list could be a way out. But again, there's no silver bullet and someone will go through the program, won't learn anything and become a repeat offender.
- croutonwagon 5y agoAdditionally there have been cases where the flight attendant or otherwise have abused their power and tossed people for whatever reason. Off the top of my head some incidents I recall seeing in the news the last few years: >Pilot tosses passenger for having a hat that says has curse words or are deemed “inappropriate”. There’s multiple examples. >Boarded and seated passenger is forcibly deplaned because another employee wants to deadhead in his seat. In general I avoid flying, partially because I’m tall. Partially because the entire experience from getting to the airport to the flight itself is just one experience where at any time you will hit someone that’s a bit power trippy and agitated. I’ve turned down jobs due to travel requirements as a result. And don’t regret it.
- mikece 5y agoIf Delta tells Southwest I was once an unruly passenger, how is that not defamation or some form of actionable harm to my reputation?q
- detaro 5y agoI you were an unruly passenger, it can't be defamation because it isn't false.
- radu_floricica 5y agoYeah, but for defamation the burden of proof is on delta.
- sushid 5y agoI mean Delta can just tell Southwest "these are our banned passengers; do what you want with this information (but also give us your list)." Also casinos in the US seem to do this without any defamation lawsuits so it probably would work.
- literallyaduck 5y agoSo accusations without an opportunity to provide a defense of your character will be shared? I'm adding Delta to my no fly list.