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>Sorry guys. Because of intense lobbying from Big Tech – and a lack of ambition from politicians – products like the 10 Year Smartphone remain a dream. It smel

by nix23 5y ago

>Sorry guys. Because of intense lobbying from Big Tech – and a lack of ambition from politicians – products like the 10 Year Smartphone remain a dream. It smells like bullshit, NO one is lobbying against it...but also not for it.

BitwiseFool 5y ago
I don't understand how lobbying from Big Tech makes a product like a 10 Year Smartphone unattainable/just a dream. In what way is this the case? I can't help but think economics and consumer preference is what made the current state what it is. In other words, I don't see how said lobbying would stop some company from trying to make a 10 year smartphone.
- moate 5y ago
  So this whole thing is just a push for Right to Repair laws? I get that most hardware companies want to go full John Deere/Apple on this, but that's an issue with the hardware/software integration. An iPhone is made of the same general components as any other phone, but the special sauce is the easy of use from the software for many consumers. I don't think most people actually want a 10 year phone, the same way most people don't want to drive a functional but utilitarian car. They want a name brand that reflects their values, and most people don't value being able to cheaply and efficiently fix things. If they did, we wouldn't have had the same erosion of R2R. That said, this page pissed me off massively because I do like this stuff (We grow herbs/veggies, repair/mend our clothes, usually cook our own meals) and this was a set up for a fucking lobbying campaign on a continent I don't reside on. When I see groups like this supporting causes I also support I usually warn people AWAY from them and towards other, less "clever" people attempting to address the issue without these tactics.
cloogshicer 5y ago
A quick web search for "apple lobbying against right to repair" will give you many results. Apple is not the only one. Here is one article, as an example: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-20/microsoft-and-apple-wage-war-on-gadget-right-to-repair-laws https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-20/microsoft...
- djrogers 5y ago
  That's a company lobbying against being forced to build a phone like this, not lobbying to stop anyone else form doing it...
  - eli 5y ago
    Plenty of companies are actively working behind the scenes to stop anyone at all from repairing products. That's what right to repair is all about (it's not an obligation to repair). Here's a better example https://www.wcvb.com/article/5-investigates-ads-over-massachusetts-right-to-repair-campaign-full-of-misleading-claims/33549057# https://www.wcvb.com/article/5-investigates-ads-over-massach... I think Apple is smart enough not to be so public in their support of an unpopular policy
    - nix23 5y ago
      It's about their products, NO one is lobbying against to create a 10 years phone.

by nix23 5y ago

BitwiseFool 5y ago

I don't understand how lobbying from Big Tech makes a product like a 10 Year Smartphone unattainable/just a dream. In what way is this the case? I can't help but think economics and consumer preference is what made the current state what it is. In other words, I don't see how said lobbying would stop some company from trying to make a 10 year smartphone.

moate 5y ago
So this whole thing is just a push for Right to Repair laws? I get that most hardware companies want to go full John Deere/Apple on this, but that's an issue with the hardware/software integration. An iPhone is made of the same general components as any other phone, but the special sauce is the easy of use from the software for many consumers. I don't think most people actually want a 10 year phone, the same way most people don't want to drive a functional but utilitarian car. They want a name brand that reflects their values, and most people don't value being able to cheaply and efficiently fix things. If they did, we wouldn't have had the same erosion of R2R. That said, this page pissed me off massively because I do like this stuff (We grow herbs/veggies, repair/mend our clothes, usually cook our own meals) and this was a set up for a fucking lobbying campaign on a continent I don't reside on. When I see groups like this supporting causes I also support I usually warn people AWAY from them and towards other, less "clever" people attempting to address the issue without these tactics.

cloogshicer 5y ago

A quick web search for "apple lobbying against right to repair" will give you many results. Apple is not the only one. Here is one article, as an example: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-20/microsoft-and-apple-wage-war-on-gadget-right-to-repair-laws https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-20/microsoft...

djrogers 5y ago
That's a company lobbying against being forced to build a phone like this, not lobbying to stop anyone else form doing it...
- eli 5y ago
  Plenty of companies are actively working behind the scenes to stop anyone at all from repairing products. That's what right to repair is all about (it's not an obligation to repair). Here's a better example https://www.wcvb.com/article/5-investigates-ads-over-massachusetts-right-to-repair-campaign-full-of-misleading-claims/33549057# https://www.wcvb.com/article/5-investigates-ads-over-massach... I think Apple is smart enough not to be so public in their support of an unpopular policy
  - nix23 5y ago
    It's about their products, NO one is lobbying against to create a 10 years phone.