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This seems great to me, but does this make the ballot more confusing? That's a large list of candidates, no?

inglor_cz 5y ago
You have a set of ballots, each with a list for a single party. You throw away all the ballots save the one that is your choice, then make your preference circles there. They are recycled, so no waste. (The politicans are often recycled too, some having 4-5 party affiliations in their CV.)
AnssiH 5y ago
Finland also has voter-decided party list order, but here you still vote for a single candidate - the party list gets ordered according to votes received by individual members. Seats are distributed to party lists according to their vote share, and then within a party list according to the individual vote amounts. And you just write the candidate number on the ballot (see e.g. photo in this news article: https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/yle_news_explains_voting_in_finlands_parliamentary_election/10662472 https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/yle_news_explains_voting_...), so it is quite simple. The voting booth has a list of candidate numbers if you don't know yours.
- speeder 5y ago
  Here in Brazil it works this way and unfortunately we found out it is kind of bad idea. We had a couple corrupt parties convince inexperienced people that were wildly popular to run for them, these people (for example one guy is a circus clown that wrote some music that went viral) then get massive amounts of votes, and drag with them to the parliament all the corrupt politicians.
  - karatinversion 5y ago
    Sounds like proportional representation working as intended?
Dagonfly 5y ago
We have a similar system in Germany for local elections. In cities it can get crazy. Here is a a ballot from Frankfurt: https://www.fr.de/bilder/2021/02/11/90200944/25026648-28-listen-stehen-auf-dem-stimmzettel-W6b.jpg https://www.fr.de/bilder/2021/02/11/90200944/25026648-28-lis...
dirkt 5y ago
Germany already has much more complicated options [1] [2] for communal elections (but if you are confused by them, you don't need to use them). The reasoning is that voters would know the communal candidates a lot better, so having more choice there would be an informed decision. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulative_voting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulative_voting [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panachage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panachage

You have a set of ballots, each with a list for a single party. You throw away all the ballots save the one that is your choice, then make your preference circles there. They are recycled, so no waste. (The politicans are often recycled too, some having 4-5 party affiliations in their CV.)

AnssiH 5y ago

Finland also has voter-decided party list order, but here you still vote for a single candidate - the party list gets ordered according to votes received by individual members. Seats are distributed to party lists according to their vote share, and then within a party list according to the individual vote amounts. And you just write the candidate number on the ballot (see e.g. photo in this news article: https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/yle_news_explains_voting_in_finlands_parliamentary_election/10662472 https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/yle_news_explains_voting_...), so it is quite simple. The voting booth has a list of candidate numbers if you don't know yours.

speeder 5y ago
Here in Brazil it works this way and unfortunately we found out it is kind of bad idea. We had a couple corrupt parties convince inexperienced people that were wildly popular to run for them, these people (for example one guy is a circus clown that wrote some music that went viral) then get massive amounts of votes, and drag with them to the parliament all the corrupt politicians.
- karatinversion 5y ago
  Sounds like proportional representation working as intended?

Dagonfly 5y ago

We have a similar system in Germany for local elections. In cities it can get crazy. Here is a a ballot from Frankfurt: https://www.fr.de/bilder/2021/02/11/90200944/25026648-28-listen-stehen-auf-dem-stimmzettel-W6b.jpg https://www.fr.de/bilder/2021/02/11/90200944/25026648-28-lis...

dirkt 5y ago

Germany already has much more complicated options [1] [2] for communal elections (but if you are confused by them, you don't need to use them). The reasoning is that voters would know the communal candidates a lot better, so having more choice there would be an informed decision. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulative_voting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulative_voting [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panachage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panachage