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LA Sheriff's also have a gang called 'The Executioners' and several other gangs operating in the force. Cops are held to a very low standard, especially for pe

LA Sheriff's also have a gang called 'The Executioners' and several other gangs operating in the force. Cops are held to a very low standard, especially for people who we place so much trust in. I would get fired for starting a gang at my job called 'The Executioners'. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/police-gangs-la-sheriff-executioners-b1862105.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/police-gan... https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/morning-brief-sheriffs-department-gangs/ https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/morning-brief-sheriffs-d...

jeffbee 5y ago
Cops can't get fired for anything short of shooting a child in the back on live TV and, sometimes, not even for that. California sheriffs are elected and can't be fired at all. The Alameda County (where I live) sheriff is a closet white supremacist in an organization where most of the deputies drive jacked up monster trucks with punisher stickers in the windows, in a county that votes 85-to-15 for Democrats. Sheriffs and their deputies are self-selecting exurban white men with tendencies toward AM radio, conspiracy forums, and horse paste.
- scotuswroteus 5y ago
  HEY! AM radio is not a monolith in the Bay Area. KNBR is rad.
- tengbretson 5y ago
  That's really unfortunate. They sound like they might be the sort that make individual judgments based on group stereotypes.
  - stronglikedan 5y ago
    Sounds like the person who posted that story would fit right in with them.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  If the county votes 85-15 Democrat, and the sheriff is elected, then... why does that area elect a sheriff like the one you're describing?
  - jdavis703 5y ago
    Because the sheriff runs unopposed because only credentialed LEOs can run for sheriff in CA. And then the sheriffs have a habit of resigning in office and appointing an heir (i.e. incumbent). Our upcoming election in 2022 is the first competitive election in about 50 years. And if you look at the vote totals, most people under vote on the sheriffs office (i.e. people just leave it blank or write in dumb stuff like “deez nutz.”)
    - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
      So? In a county that votes 85% Democrat, there are no credentialed LEOs who are Democrats who want to run for sheriff? If not, why not?
      - jeffbee 5y ago
        Because if you run against literally your own boss in the primary election and lose, then your life will be sad. It's a bad system that requires reform at the state level.
      - jdavis703 5y ago
        I don’t want to get in to conspiracy theories. But imagine you’re a good cop with a nice life and a happy family. Do you put it all on the line to run against an entrenched incumbent? What kinds of dirty “tricks” might you be worried about?
      - SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
        Good cops don’t stay cops. They’re usually either pushed out or die under unusual circumstances.
        5y ago
- jdavis703 5y ago
  Not sure why this is getting downvoted. I’m sure the sheriffs in many counties are just fine. But even the national and international news covers the AlCo sheriffs abuse (check out the Colbert Report and The Guardian). While this isn’t directly related to the AlCo sheriffs, you can also look up the “crime reduction” social media scandal from Oakland PD, a law enforcement agency within Alameda County.
  - Clubber 5y ago
    >Sheriffs and their deputies are self-selecting exurban white men with tendencies toward AM radio, conspiracy forums, and horse paste. He was doing great until the last sentence when he went stereotyping.
    - ssully 5y ago
      As someone who knows a lot of police officers, it just sounds like the poster also knows a lot of police officers.
      - Clubber 5y ago
        Maybe, but it's a simple minded dig to a much better point. He diluted his own post by placing the police and about 50% of the population into a reductive stereotype. Not the best way to be persuasive. Also, Villanueva, the LA sheriff is not only a Democrat, he was assisted by the Democratic Party in getting elected. Not only was the OP stereotyping but he was trying to shift blame to another party. Maybe Democrats in CA should start looking into their own party for the cause of these problems rather than giving them a free pass and shifting blame. FWIW, I think the justice system in CA is hopelessly corrupt and brutal and has been for decades. That's a pretty serious problem Californians don't seem to want to address. Maybe corrupt, brutal justice systems suit the bosses of both parties just fine and the voters just don't want to admit their tribe is just as bad in this regard as the other tribe. Oh well, divide and conquer strikes again. Enjoy your free nightstick massage and lead infusions. https://laist.com/news/criminal-justice/la-democrats-helped-elect-sheriff-villanueva-resolution-resignation-mcdonnell https://laist.com/news/criminal-justice/la-democrats-helped-...
- pessimizer 5y ago
  Democrats demand the same results of their cops as Republicans do, they just can't stomach the process (which is a common cop critique of liberals.) Relying on cops to fix a broken society is as bad as relying on teachers to fix a broken society. You end up with a bunch of sadists as cops, and a bunch of martyrs as teachers. You actually have to change something, you can't just let the status quo continue and expect a different result.
  - x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
    But Dems don't demand the same results of cops as Republicans. There simply isn't any room for "both sides" logic in this instance. Only one side even entertains demilitarizing police forces, curtailing Civil Forefeiture, dismantling police immunity, legalizing recreational drugs and redirecting police funds to social services so that police don't have to get involved in the first place. There is a reason that Punisher stickers, and Thin Blue Line imagery exist in law enforcement and Republican communities.
    - Covzire 5y ago
      Get your Democratic majority to put forth a clean bill ending Civil Forefeiture and it'll pass easily. Other than one highway patrolman I know, nobody I know of supports that evil law.
      - jeffbee 5y ago
        Such as this civil forfeiture reform that passed unanimously in 2016? https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB443 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm... Sometimes it feels like people online are arguing about some imaginary California.
  - geofft 5y ago
    "Democrats" is a broad term. That's possibly true of "centrist" / "moderate" DINOs, but if you look at, say, folks who set up the CHOP in Seattle (who might not proudly call themselves Democrats, but are far more likely to vote for a Democrat than a Republican), they very clearly did not want the cops to so much as investigate an actual murder. I think most people realize that if they call for less policing, they're calling for less policing, and they really do mean what they're asking for. (To be clear, I'm speaking about my own beliefs here: I think there should be less policing, and I fully realize that means less investigation of murders. You cannot give up essential liberty for temporary security.)
maybelsyrup 5y ago
Came here to post about the LASD cop-gangs. I think some of the best work on this comes from Knock LA [1]. The good news, if there is any, is that institutions as corrupt and violent as American police, who operate freely and with complete impunity and social sanction, respond to the same things that other, similar institutions -- like the mafia, for instance -- do: sunlight. I think that shining light on this stuff is extremely powerful, and the proof is right in this story: opposition to this POS didn't go unnoticed -- he sought to stamp it out and hide that he was doing it. These people are deeply afraid of a critical mass of the population becoming sick of their shit. So this means it's working. Let's keep it up! [1] https://knock-la.com/lasd-gangs-little-devils-wayside-whities-cavemen-vikings/ https://knock-la.com/lasd-gangs-little-devils-wayside-whitie...
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sleibrock 5y ago
Suddenly reading all this reminds me only about the Christopher Dorner events. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_a...
- dunce9242021 5y ago
  that dude rules
- atatatat 5y ago
  Should.
meragrin_ 5y ago
I can't take any source seriously when they push a clearly false narrative. Nazi helmet? Those tattoos look nothing like Nazi helmets. If anything, they look like US WW2 paratrooper helmets, but that obviously does not evoke the same sort of reaction they are looking for.
- rhcom2 5y ago
  That is straight from the report from the Loyola Law School.
  - meragrin_ 5y ago
    And? They obviously have an agenda if they cannot tell a Nazi helmet from another.
    - rhcom2 5y ago
      Have you heard the term "bikeshedding"?
  - Cycl0ps 5y ago
    Well, it's straight from a citation from Loyola Law School. Following the citation takes us to Maya Lau's article titled, "Inked with a skull in a cowboy hat, L.A. County sheriff’s deputy describes exclusive society of lawmen at California station"[0]. This article makes no mention of The Executioners or the tattoo they use. For that you need to look at another LA Times article titled "After decades of problems, new allegations surface of a secret clique within L.A. County Sheriff's Department".[1] If we find the relevant quote in that article here's what we get. "Aldama described a tattoo on his calf as a skull with a rifle and a military-style helmet with flames surrounding it. On the helmet are the letters “C P T” for Compton." So at some point "military-style" was switched to nazi. I don't know why, but since there's apparent conflict let's do our own research. Googling Nazi helmet gave me plenty of images, and they generally have a large flare on the back and the brim turns up. The helmets also seem to typically have badges on the side and I didn't see any that had a band on them like in the tattoo. I think these helmets look far more like the type worn by US troops in the Vietnam war. [0](LA Times) https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-palmdale-sheriff-tattoo-20180804-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-palmdale-sheriff-t... [1](LA Times via Archive.is) https://archive.is/gNquP https://archive.is/gNquP
felistoria 5y ago
I swear there was a Keanu Reeves movie like this. Also, Training Day...
- Maursault 5y ago
  Sounds like you may be thinking of Street Kings. [1] [1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0421073/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0421073/

jeffbee 5y ago

Cops can't get fired for anything short of shooting a child in the back on live TV and, sometimes, not even for that. California sheriffs are elected and can't be fired at all. The Alameda County (where I live) sheriff is a closet white supremacist in an organization where most of the deputies drive jacked up monster trucks with punisher stickers in the windows, in a county that votes 85-to-15 for Democrats. Sheriffs and their deputies are self-selecting exurban white men with tendencies toward AM radio, conspiracy forums, and horse paste.

scotuswroteus 5y ago
HEY! AM radio is not a monolith in the Bay Area. KNBR is rad.
tengbretson 5y ago
That's really unfortunate. They sound like they might be the sort that make individual judgments based on group stereotypes.
- stronglikedan 5y ago
  Sounds like the person who posted that story would fit right in with them.
AnimalMuppet 5y ago
If the county votes 85-15 Democrat, and the sheriff is elected, then... why does that area elect a sheriff like the one you're describing?
- jdavis703 5y ago
  Because the sheriff runs unopposed because only credentialed LEOs can run for sheriff in CA. And then the sheriffs have a habit of resigning in office and appointing an heir (i.e. incumbent). Our upcoming election in 2022 is the first competitive election in about 50 years. And if you look at the vote totals, most people under vote on the sheriffs office (i.e. people just leave it blank or write in dumb stuff like “deez nutz.”)
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    So? In a county that votes 85% Democrat, there are no credentialed LEOs who are Democrats who want to run for sheriff? If not, why not?
    - jeffbee 5y ago
      Because if you run against literally your own boss in the primary election and lose, then your life will be sad. It's a bad system that requires reform at the state level.
    - jdavis703 5y ago
      I don’t want to get in to conspiracy theories. But imagine you’re a good cop with a nice life and a happy family. Do you put it all on the line to run against an entrenched incumbent? What kinds of dirty “tricks” might you be worried about?
    - SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
      Good cops don’t stay cops. They’re usually either pushed out or die under unusual circumstances.
      - 5y ago
jdavis703 5y ago
Not sure why this is getting downvoted. I’m sure the sheriffs in many counties are just fine. But even the national and international news covers the AlCo sheriffs abuse (check out the Colbert Report and The Guardian). While this isn’t directly related to the AlCo sheriffs, you can also look up the “crime reduction” social media scandal from Oakland PD, a law enforcement agency within Alameda County.
- Clubber 5y ago
  >Sheriffs and their deputies are self-selecting exurban white men with tendencies toward AM radio, conspiracy forums, and horse paste. He was doing great until the last sentence when he went stereotyping.
  - ssully 5y ago
    As someone who knows a lot of police officers, it just sounds like the poster also knows a lot of police officers.
    - Clubber 5y ago
      Maybe, but it's a simple minded dig to a much better point. He diluted his own post by placing the police and about 50% of the population into a reductive stereotype. Not the best way to be persuasive. Also, Villanueva, the LA sheriff is not only a Democrat, he was assisted by the Democratic Party in getting elected. Not only was the OP stereotyping but he was trying to shift blame to another party. Maybe Democrats in CA should start looking into their own party for the cause of these problems rather than giving them a free pass and shifting blame. FWIW, I think the justice system in CA is hopelessly corrupt and brutal and has been for decades. That's a pretty serious problem Californians don't seem to want to address. Maybe corrupt, brutal justice systems suit the bosses of both parties just fine and the voters just don't want to admit their tribe is just as bad in this regard as the other tribe. Oh well, divide and conquer strikes again. Enjoy your free nightstick massage and lead infusions. https://laist.com/news/criminal-justice/la-democrats-helped-elect-sheriff-villanueva-resolution-resignation-mcdonnell https://laist.com/news/criminal-justice/la-democrats-helped-...
pessimizer 5y ago
Democrats demand the same results of their cops as Republicans do, they just can't stomach the process (which is a common cop critique of liberals.) Relying on cops to fix a broken society is as bad as relying on teachers to fix a broken society. You end up with a bunch of sadists as cops, and a bunch of martyrs as teachers. You actually have to change something, you can't just let the status quo continue and expect a different result.
- x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
  But Dems don't demand the same results of cops as Republicans. There simply isn't any room for "both sides" logic in this instance. Only one side even entertains demilitarizing police forces, curtailing Civil Forefeiture, dismantling police immunity, legalizing recreational drugs and redirecting police funds to social services so that police don't have to get involved in the first place. There is a reason that Punisher stickers, and Thin Blue Line imagery exist in law enforcement and Republican communities.
  - Covzire 5y ago
    Get your Democratic majority to put forth a clean bill ending Civil Forefeiture and it'll pass easily. Other than one highway patrolman I know, nobody I know of supports that evil law.
    - jeffbee 5y ago
      Such as this civil forfeiture reform that passed unanimously in 2016? https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB443 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm... Sometimes it feels like people online are arguing about some imaginary California.
- geofft 5y ago
  "Democrats" is a broad term. That's possibly true of "centrist" / "moderate" DINOs, but if you look at, say, folks who set up the CHOP in Seattle (who might not proudly call themselves Democrats, but are far more likely to vote for a Democrat than a Republican), they very clearly did not want the cops to so much as investigate an actual murder. I think most people realize that if they call for less policing, they're calling for less policing, and they really do mean what they're asking for. (To be clear, I'm speaking about my own beliefs here: I think there should be less policing, and I fully realize that means less investigation of murders. You cannot give up essential liberty for temporary security.)

maybelsyrup 5y ago

Came here to post about the LASD cop-gangs. I think some of the best work on this comes from Knock LA [1]. The good news, if there is any, is that institutions as corrupt and violent as American police, who operate freely and with complete impunity and social sanction, respond to the same things that other, similar institutions -- like the mafia, for instance -- do: sunlight. I think that shining light on this stuff is extremely powerful, and the proof is right in this story: opposition to this POS didn't go unnoticed -- he sought to stamp it out and hide that he was doing it. These people are deeply afraid of a critical mass of the population becoming sick of their shit. So this means it's working. Let's keep it up! [1] https://knock-la.com/lasd-gangs-little-devils-wayside-whities-cavemen-vikings/ https://knock-la.com/lasd-gangs-little-devils-wayside-whitie...

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sleibrock 5y ago

Suddenly reading all this reminds me only about the Christopher Dorner events. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_a...

dunce9242021 5y ago
that dude rules
atatatat 5y ago
Should.

meragrin_ 5y ago

I can't take any source seriously when they push a clearly false narrative. Nazi helmet? Those tattoos look nothing like Nazi helmets. If anything, they look like US WW2 paratrooper helmets, but that obviously does not evoke the same sort of reaction they are looking for.

rhcom2 5y ago
That is straight from the report from the Loyola Law School.
- meragrin_ 5y ago
  And? They obviously have an agenda if they cannot tell a Nazi helmet from another.
  - rhcom2 5y ago
    Have you heard the term "bikeshedding"?
- Cycl0ps 5y ago
  Well, it's straight from a citation from Loyola Law School. Following the citation takes us to Maya Lau's article titled, "Inked with a skull in a cowboy hat, L.A. County sheriff’s deputy describes exclusive society of lawmen at California station"[0]. This article makes no mention of The Executioners or the tattoo they use. For that you need to look at another LA Times article titled "After decades of problems, new allegations surface of a secret clique within L.A. County Sheriff's Department".[1] If we find the relevant quote in that article here's what we get. "Aldama described a tattoo on his calf as a skull with a rifle and a military-style helmet with flames surrounding it. On the helmet are the letters “C P T” for Compton." So at some point "military-style" was switched to nazi. I don't know why, but since there's apparent conflict let's do our own research. Googling Nazi helmet gave me plenty of images, and they generally have a large flare on the back and the brim turns up. The helmets also seem to typically have badges on the side and I didn't see any that had a band on them like in the tattoo. I think these helmets look far more like the type worn by US troops in the Vietnam war. [0](LA Times) https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-palmdale-sheriff-tattoo-20180804-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-palmdale-sheriff-t... [1](LA Times via Archive.is) https://archive.is/gNquP https://archive.is/gNquP

felistoria 5y ago

I swear there was a Keanu Reeves movie like this. Also, Training Day...

Maursault 5y ago
Sounds like you may be thinking of Street Kings. [1] [1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0421073/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0421073/