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This is a professional photographer. Editing is part of the photography process, just as important as taking the picture in the first place and sometimes even m

by hbosch 5y ago

This is a professional photographer. Editing is part of the photography process, just as important as taking the picture in the first place and sometimes even more important to the end result (that is to say, a poorly edited photo is often worse than just having never taken the photo at all). There are many, many, many more reviews out there on the internet that show casual, unedited photos from this camera. I think this person's use case and exhibition are interesting due to his entire workflow.

Frost1x 5y ago
The more surprising aspect to this review (maybe I missed this part, I skimmed) is how there wasn't much discussed about having a bigger and more ergonomic hand mount for the phone when shooting. I don't even mean with all sorts of nifty expensive stabilizers, just something to hold onto the phone and shoot better. I did see use of a small tripod at one point and a mount to a vehicle but for the hands, nothing. Maybe I'm getting old but I find it difficult to shoot good photos even with the bulkiest of phone cases, while also being able to hit the shutter without shifting my camera drastically. I personally use a Note so the S pen works great as a built in remote shutter (especially nice for tripod shots) but I can't for the life of me get good shots with the UI shutter or even volume/side button rockers. Sure you have voice controls or shutter timmers but timmers are not ideal in most shooting conditions from my experience, unless you have humans. You can also burst or drop frames from video but ick, shooting professional photos with a phone as is seems unnecessarily uncomfortable to me.
- vlovich123 5y ago
  I haven't tried this but apparently the Apple watch has integration for showing you a preview & letting you take a photo. More expensive for sure but probably similar utility as the pen approach?
  - eric_h 5y ago
    it does - I've used it for properly aiming a tripod video recording setup when it was in a location where I could not see the screen (well above me).
hellbannedguy 5y ago
I don't think I have ever seen a review of a camera done by a professional, or pretty much anyone else, that didn't include raw photos.
Reubachi 5y ago
But professional photographers who spend as much time editing as photographing won't be purchasing this phone with that intention. That would be lunacy, as their profession/hobby likely already has had them invest thousands into professional equipment. This is directed towards those taking pictures for social media. Advertising (that's what this is) in this way implies that you, yes you, could be as good as a professional photographer. Except, you also have to dedicate the time and vast expertise, like a professional photographer would, to get pictures like theirs. They cleverly leave that part out.
- mbreese 5y ago
  The article has an entire section about how he often uses an iPhone to shoot for clients and specifically about how he sets up the phone to do so. I thought the "shoot mode" was pretty clever and I didn't know that you could setup those kinds of automations. It was a nice "pro-tip" that I could see myself using.
  - Reubachi 5y ago
    (late reply) I can accept that he really likes the product, but even then, the point of the article is broken.I cannot imagine any scenario in which a professional photographer would use a mobile device for legitimate client work, unless he is paid by Apple. There is no way in hell it is on par with professional equipment. The battery alone is a huge detriment to field work. To your points, these are nice new features. That in no way means that a professional photographer should say "you can be as good as me with these new features!"

by hbosch 5y ago

Frost1x 5y ago

The more surprising aspect to this review (maybe I missed this part, I skimmed) is how there wasn't much discussed about having a bigger and more ergonomic hand mount for the phone when shooting. I don't even mean with all sorts of nifty expensive stabilizers, just something to hold onto the phone and shoot better. I did see use of a small tripod at one point and a mount to a vehicle but for the hands, nothing. Maybe I'm getting old but I find it difficult to shoot good photos even with the bulkiest of phone cases, while also being able to hit the shutter without shifting my camera drastically. I personally use a Note so the S pen works great as a built in remote shutter (especially nice for tripod shots) but I can't for the life of me get good shots with the UI shutter or even volume/side button rockers. Sure you have voice controls or shutter timmers but timmers are not ideal in most shooting conditions from my experience, unless you have humans. You can also burst or drop frames from video but ick, shooting professional photos with a phone as is seems unnecessarily uncomfortable to me.

vlovich123 5y ago
I haven't tried this but apparently the Apple watch has integration for showing you a preview & letting you take a photo. More expensive for sure but probably similar utility as the pen approach?
- eric_h 5y ago
  it does - I've used it for properly aiming a tripod video recording setup when it was in a location where I could not see the screen (well above me).

hellbannedguy 5y ago

I don't think I have ever seen a review of a camera done by a professional, or pretty much anyone else, that didn't include raw photos.

Reubachi 5y ago

But professional photographers who spend as much time editing as photographing won't be purchasing this phone with that intention. That would be lunacy, as their profession/hobby likely already has had them invest thousands into professional equipment. This is directed towards those taking pictures for social media. Advertising (that's what this is) in this way implies that you, yes you, could be as good as a professional photographer. Except, you also have to dedicate the time and vast expertise, like a professional photographer would, to get pictures like theirs. They cleverly leave that part out.

mbreese 5y ago
The article has an entire section about how he often uses an iPhone to shoot for clients and specifically about how he sets up the phone to do so. I thought the "shoot mode" was pretty clever and I didn't know that you could setup those kinds of automations. It was a nice "pro-tip" that I could see myself using.
- Reubachi 5y ago
  (late reply) I can accept that he really likes the product, but even then, the point of the article is broken.I cannot imagine any scenario in which a professional photographer would use a mobile device for legitimate client work, unless he is paid by Apple. There is no way in hell it is on par with professional equipment. The battery alone is a huge detriment to field work. To your points, these are nice new features. That in no way means that a professional photographer should say "you can be as good as me with these new features!"