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This is the most disingenuous form of misinformation imaginable. While certainly true that murder is up everywhere, it is not true that it is up the same amount

This is the most disingenuous form of misinformation imaginable. While certainly true that murder is up everywhere, it is not true that it is up the same amount. As the article says, murder is up more in cities with pop >100k. Under 25k, the murder rate rose 25%. In larger cities, up to 40%. That is a substantial difference. No one is claiming that some places had fewer murders than before. People are claiming that policies make differences (in this case, population size is a good correlate with party).

xmprt 5y ago
Why are you correlating population size with party when you can literally look up the voting records of cities? What's more likely? 1. High population size implies Democratic party policies implies less police funding implies higher murder rate OR 2. High population size implies higher murder rate (potentially because of higher poor populations or more population density or many other reasons that aren't because of party).
- iammisc 5y ago
  > High population size implies Democratic party policies implies less police funding implies higher murder rate Democratic party politics are correlated with higher population size. This is not controversial. A high population size ought to correlate with more overall murders, but a similar murder rate. Moreover, in many countries, urban areas are less violent.
  - xmprt 5y ago
    I agree with your first statement. However, this is one case where we don't have to make any guesses. City voting records are public. If you actually checked, then you'll see that Democratic and Republican controlled cities have seen an uptick in murder rate. In some cases, Republicans have a higher increase. So this isn't an issue with any particular party. > in many countries, urban areas are less violent This might be because of better mental healthcare, less drug/gang related violence, better gun control, or a variety of factors. If America had the same laws as other countries then this discrepancy would be strange however the US has been very slow at getting up to the current standards that most developed countries have adopted.

xmprt 5y ago

Why are you correlating population size with party when you can literally look up the voting records of cities? What's more likely? 1. High population size implies Democratic party policies implies less police funding implies higher murder rate OR 2. High population size implies higher murder rate (potentially because of higher poor populations or more population density or many other reasons that aren't because of party).

iammisc 5y ago
> High population size implies Democratic party policies implies less police funding implies higher murder rate Democratic party politics are correlated with higher population size. This is not controversial. A high population size ought to correlate with more overall murders, but a similar murder rate. Moreover, in many countries, urban areas are less violent.
- xmprt 5y ago
  I agree with your first statement. However, this is one case where we don't have to make any guesses. City voting records are public. If you actually checked, then you'll see that Democratic and Republican controlled cities have seen an uptick in murder rate. In some cases, Republicans have a higher increase. So this isn't an issue with any particular party. > in many countries, urban areas are less violent This might be because of better mental healthcare, less drug/gang related violence, better gun control, or a variety of factors. If America had the same laws as other countries then this discrepancy would be strange however the US has been very slow at getting up to the current standards that most developed countries have adopted.