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I use BitTorrent to download, for example, Linux distributions, or movies from VODO - http://vodo.net http://vodo.net And don't think all these 200,000 ISP use

I use BitTorrent to download, for example, Linux distributions, or movies from VODO - http://vodo.net http://vodo.net And don't think all these 200,000 ISP users/contract owners have downloaded copyrighted materials. It is not proofable. It could be a computer virus, a guest, a hacker who has hacked into thier Wi-Fi. How are they going to proof?

dkokelley 15y ago
So far, the lower courts have set the precedence that IPs are not people. If I catch an IP doing something wrong, I can't yet say to the ISP account holder "Your IP did this, therefor YOU are guilty," for the very same reason red light cameras need to identify the driver of a car running the light instead of only the license plate.
- dclowd9901 15y ago
  If you have a locked wi-fi and are sharing files via torrent, in civil proceedings (which these are), the companies have plenty of evidence saying that you are probably the one sharing the files. Remember, it's civil: "beyond a reasonable doubt" isn't required.
  - Wilduck 15y ago
    Yep, just "preponderance of evidence" [1]. Seems like this could fit. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof#Preponderance_of_the_evidence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof#Preponder...
  - mgurlitz 15y ago
    And if you fail to protect your wi-fi they could claim negligence. "I have heard other lawyers compare leaving your wifi open to leaving a loaded gun lying around." (http://torrentfreak.com/are-you-guilty-if-pirates-use-your-internet-lawyer-says-yes-110806/ http://torrentfreak.com/are-you-guilty-if-pirates-use-your-i...). I think it would ironic if WEP became popular again because it could protect negligence and is trivially hacked.
    - Estragon 15y ago
      That's just the theory of the author of that essay. It has never been tested in court. The "judgement" the author claims at the start of his essay was actually a settlement offered by someone who thought $10000 was worth less than the risk of a court case. (Perhaps because he didn't want to be publically accused of downloading gay porn.) That whole essay is based on deception, and the author is a sleazebag. http://torrentfreak.com/are-you-guilty-if-pirates-use-your-internet-lawyer-says-yes-110806/#comment-279328400 http://torrentfreak.com/are-you-guilty-if-pirates-use-your-i...

dkokelley 15y ago

So far, the lower courts have set the precedence that IPs are not people. If I catch an IP doing something wrong, I can't yet say to the ISP account holder "Your IP did this, therefor YOU are guilty," for the very same reason red light cameras need to identify the driver of a car running the light instead of only the license plate.

dclowd9901 15y ago
If you have a locked wi-fi and are sharing files via torrent, in civil proceedings (which these are), the companies have plenty of evidence saying that you are probably the one sharing the files. Remember, it's civil: "beyond a reasonable doubt" isn't required.
- Wilduck 15y ago
  Yep, just "preponderance of evidence" [1]. Seems like this could fit. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof#Preponderance_of_the_evidence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof#Preponder...
- mgurlitz 15y ago
  And if you fail to protect your wi-fi they could claim negligence. "I have heard other lawyers compare leaving your wifi open to leaving a loaded gun lying around." (http://torrentfreak.com/are-you-guilty-if-pirates-use-your-internet-lawyer-says-yes-110806/ http://torrentfreak.com/are-you-guilty-if-pirates-use-your-i...). I think it would ironic if WEP became popular again because it could protect negligence and is trivially hacked.
  - Estragon 15y ago
    That's just the theory of the author of that essay. It has never been tested in court. The "judgement" the author claims at the start of his essay was actually a settlement offered by someone who thought $10000 was worth less than the risk of a court case. (Perhaps because he didn't want to be publically accused of downloading gay porn.) That whole essay is based on deception, and the author is a sleazebag. http://torrentfreak.com/are-you-guilty-if-pirates-use-your-internet-lawyer-says-yes-110806/#comment-279328400 http://torrentfreak.com/are-you-guilty-if-pirates-use-your-i...