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I've taken the opposite view ever since EFF has started wasting time on protests, appeals and letters on this specific issue. Instead of treating this company

I've taken the opposite view ever since EFF has started wasting time on protests, appeals and letters on this specific issue. Instead of treating this company with the same scrutiny it treats other companies with (point out what's wrong, offer alternatives, chase legislation) it's instead spending time on these stunts as someone called it. At this point, the cat is out of the bag, and has been out of the bag for several years, it's just hitting 'close to home' now. Withdrawals and delays that are effected as a result of these will not make any difference. This isn't a good fight but a form of denial and while I've been a regular supporter of theirs for several years, I now question where their priorities lie.

tailspin2019 5y ago
I’ve seen the word “stunts” (plural) used a few times in the comments but what other things has the EFF done recently that would qualify as a stunt? This particular thing was very clearly and deliberately a “stunt” but to me it feels more like the exception than the norm for the sort of thing EFF typically does? Admittedly I’m fairly new to EFF so have only really been paying attention to them for a year or two.
- politelemon 5y ago
  I would assume the other one is the protests outside their HQs? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/09/dont-stop-now-join-eff-fight-future-apple-protests-nationwide https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/09/dont-stop-now-join-eff... If not stunt, perhaps some other word may be suited for it. My comments on it would still be the same.
  - tailspin2019 5y ago
    EFF is an non-profit activism organisation that stands up for freedom and civil liberties (amongst other things). So organising a peaceful protest seems to me to be fully within their remit and entirely appropriate? It’s about as fundamental as you can get when it comes to exercising people’s rights to stand up for what they believe in, peacefully but firmly. Despite the fact that their areas of focus are in the digital realm, sometimes you can’t beat the power of in-person organising IRL. Edit: I’d be interested to hear what you think they should be doing that they’re not. (Genuinely, not trying to bait you!) I don’t see anything wrong with these awareness raising events but what else could they be doing from your perspective?
atatatat 5y ago
> I now question where their priorities lie. Informing and legally fighting for the user — seemingly the "informing the user" will be more cost effective in the Apple case. They have billions of dollars for legal costs...
micromacrofoot 5y ago
They're doing the best thing they can do right now. They've already pointed out what's wrong numerous times, and there's not a good privacy-first alternative. They can not beat a $2tn company by chasing legislation without a wide swath of public awareness and support.
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someguydave 5y ago
some political groups value activism and appearance over substantial gains

tailspin2019 5y ago

I’ve seen the word “stunts” (plural) used a few times in the comments but what other things has the EFF done recently that would qualify as a stunt? This particular thing was very clearly and deliberately a “stunt” but to me it feels more like the exception than the norm for the sort of thing EFF typically does? Admittedly I’m fairly new to EFF so have only really been paying attention to them for a year or two.

politelemon 5y ago
I would assume the other one is the protests outside their HQs? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/09/dont-stop-now-join-eff-fight-future-apple-protests-nationwide https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/09/dont-stop-now-join-eff... If not stunt, perhaps some other word may be suited for it. My comments on it would still be the same.
- tailspin2019 5y ago
  EFF is an non-profit activism organisation that stands up for freedom and civil liberties (amongst other things). So organising a peaceful protest seems to me to be fully within their remit and entirely appropriate? It’s about as fundamental as you can get when it comes to exercising people’s rights to stand up for what they believe in, peacefully but firmly. Despite the fact that their areas of focus are in the digital realm, sometimes you can’t beat the power of in-person organising IRL. Edit: I’d be interested to hear what you think they should be doing that they’re not. (Genuinely, not trying to bait you!) I don’t see anything wrong with these awareness raising events but what else could they be doing from your perspective?

atatatat 5y ago

> I now question where their priorities lie. Informing and legally fighting for the user — seemingly the "informing the user" will be more cost effective in the Apple case. They have billions of dollars for legal costs...

micromacrofoot 5y ago

They're doing the best thing they can do right now. They've already pointed out what's wrong numerous times, and there's not a good privacy-first alternative. They can not beat a $2tn company by chasing legislation without a wide swath of public awareness and support.

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someguydave 5y ago

some political groups value activism and appearance over substantial gains