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what is that you don't like about portless, that was acceptable with the lightning cable?

gambiting 5y ago
It's slow. Apple especially is far far far behind everyone else when it comes to charging speeds. Tbf Apple wired charging speeds are still very slow compared to competition, but wireless is just abysmal. And then of course a daily occurence - I lie down in bed, about 5% battery left, want to watch some youtube or whatever - now I can just plug in a cable and continue using my phone. With portless, how exactly am I supposed to do that? With the funny magsafe dongle that you need to be super careful not to detach as you hold the phone and which doesn't really stick on unless you use one of the approved cases? No thanks.
kalleboo 5y ago
I develop apps for iOS and Apples wireless debugging tools are extremely unreliable and slow
wallaBBB 5y ago
- Efficiency of wireless charging first of all, and I consider this to be a pretty firm reason against when there is no real benefit from wireless (nightly charging). I do recognize the added benefit from wireless charging in certain not so common situations, but not enough to justify making it the only option. - I have been involved in project that included wireless chargers for phones used by automotive OEMs, and those can be pretty hard to qualify. On one design we had the type and level of radiation that is considered potentially harmful for pacemakers. And having in mind a lot of people would be buying these chargers from unknown and uncertified sources (cheapest one from Wish for e.g.) it makes me dislike them even more. Yes wired dodgy chargers can be bad, but the scope of failures is smaller. - 3rd reason as I noted is a personal one, I just don't trust wireless as I do wires when it comes to data transfer (physical robustness), and I prefer to use the wired way when it's a reasonable option. This is rooted in the ethernet vs WiFi choice. But this is debatable. Also current speed difference in transfer.
dnndev 5y ago
Charging efficiency, speed, and reliability will get better. Wireless debugging will get better and we will forget it was ever buggy. We will have plates attached to a cable we can attach (magnetic) when we need to charge a drained battery and watch tv. These are all solvable issues. Wireless makes the most sense moving forward. That is what the EU should be pushing for. The charging/data cable is a backup and not the primary way to charge
- riffraff 5y ago
  FWIW, the EU proposal says they don't want to regulate wireless because there is still a lot of room for innovation and no established shared good solutions. I think they're doing the right thing there.
  - dnndev 5y ago
    I think they are doing the right near term but not long term. For the very reason wireless charging is in its infancy they should get in front of it. They will be back at square one doing the same thing with wireless chargers in 5 years unless industry leaders agree upon a standard before them. Sounds to me like someone at the EU saw this as low hanging fruit quick win and yeah sounds good but it’s short sighted.

It's slow. Apple especially is far far far behind everyone else when it comes to charging speeds. Tbf Apple wired charging speeds are still very slow compared to competition, but wireless is just abysmal. And then of course a daily occurence - I lie down in bed, about 5% battery left, want to watch some youtube or whatever - now I can just plug in a cable and continue using my phone. With portless, how exactly am I supposed to do that? With the funny magsafe dongle that you need to be super careful not to detach as you hold the phone and which doesn't really stick on unless you use one of the approved cases? No thanks.

kalleboo 5y ago

I develop apps for iOS and Apples wireless debugging tools are extremely unreliable and slow

wallaBBB 5y ago

- Efficiency of wireless charging first of all, and I consider this to be a pretty firm reason against when there is no real benefit from wireless (nightly charging). I do recognize the added benefit from wireless charging in certain not so common situations, but not enough to justify making it the only option. - I have been involved in project that included wireless chargers for phones used by automotive OEMs, and those can be pretty hard to qualify. On one design we had the type and level of radiation that is considered potentially harmful for pacemakers. And having in mind a lot of people would be buying these chargers from unknown and uncertified sources (cheapest one from Wish for e.g.) it makes me dislike them even more. Yes wired dodgy chargers can be bad, but the scope of failures is smaller. - 3rd reason as I noted is a personal one, I just don't trust wireless as I do wires when it comes to data transfer (physical robustness), and I prefer to use the wired way when it's a reasonable option. This is rooted in the ethernet vs WiFi choice. But this is debatable. Also current speed difference in transfer.

dnndev 5y ago

Charging efficiency, speed, and reliability will get better. Wireless debugging will get better and we will forget it was ever buggy. We will have plates attached to a cable we can attach (magnetic) when we need to charge a drained battery and watch tv. These are all solvable issues. Wireless makes the most sense moving forward. That is what the EU should be pushing for. The charging/data cable is a backup and not the primary way to charge

riffraff 5y ago
FWIW, the EU proposal says they don't want to regulate wireless because there is still a lot of room for innovation and no established shared good solutions. I think they're doing the right thing there.
- dnndev 5y ago
  I think they are doing the right near term but not long term. For the very reason wireless charging is in its infancy they should get in front of it. They will be back at square one doing the same thing with wireless chargers in 5 years unless industry leaders agree upon a standard before them. Sounds to me like someone at the EU saw this as low hanging fruit quick win and yeah sounds good but it’s short sighted.