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There is something OS specific: Windows has some setting to wake up when a WLAN connection is available. I had this issue once, that I hibernated it, put it in

There is something OS specific: Windows has some setting to wake up when a WLAN connection is available. I had this issue once, that I hibernated it, put it in a bag and went home. On the way it must have picked up some WLAN somewhere and have turned on, while in my bag, while the lid is closed, while hibernated ... And I believe this was the standard setting. I mean, who in their right mind wants their laptop to turn on, when the lid is even closed only, because they are in range of some WLAN? What a silly setting. This has probably fried many machines and also probably their owners still do not know, that Windows was the culprit, not their hardware. Fortunately my way home was not long at that time, so the overheating was avoided in time multiple times, until I figured out what was going on. Well, now I do not use Windows any longer, except rarely, so no such issues.

JonyEpsilon 5y ago
You can disable network connected standby with group policy. I did try that when running Windows on my machine, and it didn't improve the randomly-getting-hot-when-asleep for me.
- coffeeling 5y ago
  You need Pro for that, no group policy editor in Home.
  - alyandon 5y ago
    Generally speaking - GP GUI is just a front end for making changes to the registry for local group policies. You can find the mappings and make the registry setting changes yourself.
kblev 5y ago
Windows keeps waking up for random things, the problem is getting worse with every Windows release and Microsoft keeps removing more and more controls. Just a few days ago I spent hours trying to fix the constant wake-ups. This time it was a waketimer set by the StartMenuExperienceHost.exe process! [1] Microsoft already removed the Power Management tabs in Device Manager for most devices (mouse, etc.). They also removed the "Allow wake timers" option in Power Options (Surface pro has very limited power options exposed). They also removed the CSEnabled registry key. [1] https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/all/how-to-prevent-startmenuexperiencehostexe-waking/537b6473-83b3-49ee-a11d-312c9c44a36b https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/all/how-to...
- cm2187 5y ago
  I noticed that it wakes from sleep for windows updates now, which not only is annoying (Bluetooth devices suddenly waking up too), but windows update often requires intense CPU usage as defender does its dirty things, .net re-JITs, etc.
  - jiggawatts 5y ago
    This is a life-threating design. A high-end "gamer" laptop in a bag powering up unexpectedly could easily catch fire and kill someone. These shenanigans will keep going on until someone dies and a manager or two at Microsoft is sent to jail for criminal negligence.
    - comeonseriously 5y ago
      > These shenanigans will keep going on until someone dies This will happen. > and a manager or two at Microsoft is sent to jail for criminal negligence. This will never happen.
    - elzbardico 5y ago
      Now imagine this happening in the overhead bin of a plane.
      - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
        Or in the cargo hold.
        anamax 5y ago
        In the US at least, laptops with LI-ion batteries are not supposed to be in the cargo hold. I don't know whether the checked-luggage scanners catch this or what happens if they find a laptop in luggage. The passenger isn't present during checked luggage scanning so it would be complicated to try to give the laptop to the passenger. The obvious alternatives look like theft and are extremely inconvenient. (Oh joy, I'm at my destination and my laptop isn't.)
mannykannot 5y ago
Hardware manufacturers could pressure Microsoft to stop doing this. I hope there will soon be legal action prompting the manufacturers to take action (perhaps a class action against Dell by people who have been denied warranty on this basis? - though in the USA at least, Dell probably has that blocked by arbitration clauses.)
kitsunesoba 5y ago
For desktops at least, Wake on LAN is still a setting in EFI/BIOS. On my AMD desktop using a high end ASUS motherboard (Dark Hero), I switched that off along with a couple things that looked like a WoL setting in Windows, and that PC has stayed asleep all night ever since. I haven't seen this behavior from my ThinkPad X1 Nano, but that may be because it shuts itself down entirely after being closed for an hour or two without being connected to a power source.
brundolf 5y ago
I haven't used Windows on a laptop since 2014, and I'm... feeling validated about that decision right now

JonyEpsilon 5y ago

You can disable network connected standby with group policy. I did try that when running Windows on my machine, and it didn't improve the randomly-getting-hot-when-asleep for me.

coffeeling 5y ago
You need Pro for that, no group policy editor in Home.
- alyandon 5y ago
  Generally speaking - GP GUI is just a front end for making changes to the registry for local group policies. You can find the mappings and make the registry setting changes yourself.

kblev 5y ago

Windows keeps waking up for random things, the problem is getting worse with every Windows release and Microsoft keeps removing more and more controls. Just a few days ago I spent hours trying to fix the constant wake-ups. This time it was a waketimer set by the StartMenuExperienceHost.exe process! [1] Microsoft already removed the Power Management tabs in Device Manager for most devices (mouse, etc.). They also removed the "Allow wake timers" option in Power Options (Surface pro has very limited power options exposed). They also removed the CSEnabled registry key. [1] https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/all/how-to-prevent-startmenuexperiencehostexe-waking/537b6473-83b3-49ee-a11d-312c9c44a36b https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/all/how-to...

cm2187 5y ago
I noticed that it wakes from sleep for windows updates now, which not only is annoying (Bluetooth devices suddenly waking up too), but windows update often requires intense CPU usage as defender does its dirty things, .net re-JITs, etc.
- jiggawatts 5y ago
  This is a life-threating design. A high-end "gamer" laptop in a bag powering up unexpectedly could easily catch fire and kill someone. These shenanigans will keep going on until someone dies and a manager or two at Microsoft is sent to jail for criminal negligence.
  - comeonseriously 5y ago
    > These shenanigans will keep going on until someone dies This will happen. > and a manager or two at Microsoft is sent to jail for criminal negligence. This will never happen.
  - elzbardico 5y ago
    Now imagine this happening in the overhead bin of a plane.
    - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
      Or in the cargo hold.
      - anamax 5y ago
        In the US at least, laptops with LI-ion batteries are not supposed to be in the cargo hold. I don't know whether the checked-luggage scanners catch this or what happens if they find a laptop in luggage. The passenger isn't present during checked luggage scanning so it would be complicated to try to give the laptop to the passenger. The obvious alternatives look like theft and are extremely inconvenient. (Oh joy, I'm at my destination and my laptop isn't.)

mannykannot 5y ago

Hardware manufacturers could pressure Microsoft to stop doing this. I hope there will soon be legal action prompting the manufacturers to take action (perhaps a class action against Dell by people who have been denied warranty on this basis? - though in the USA at least, Dell probably has that blocked by arbitration clauses.)

kitsunesoba 5y ago

For desktops at least, Wake on LAN is still a setting in EFI/BIOS. On my AMD desktop using a high end ASUS motherboard (Dark Hero), I switched that off along with a couple things that looked like a WoL setting in Windows, and that PC has stayed asleep all night ever since. I haven't seen this behavior from my ThinkPad X1 Nano, but that may be because it shuts itself down entirely after being closed for an hour or two without being connected to a power source.

brundolf 5y ago

I haven't used Windows on a laptop since 2014, and I'm... feeling validated about that decision right now