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Not just UX.. one day Element just wouldn't connect anymore (and in a typical webapp fashion, no useful error messages). Nuking its config directory and starti

Not just UX.. one day Element just wouldn't connect anymore (and in a typical webapp fashion, no useful error messages). Nuking its config directory and starting from scratch fixed it (never needed to do that in 20 years of using irssi). I've seen other issues like video previews getting their bottom half completely crippled. Can't make a video call just sharing the desktop with someone -- it demands a microphone. Can't disable read markers that are broadcast to everyone (bad for privacy imo). They were working on this when I looked into it but I've no idea if they've fixed it yet. And yes I've seen UX bugs such as some UI setting getting stuck in a state when you try to toggle it in the settings. I'm guessing these are more Element issues rather than Matrix issues (except for the read markers). But I get the vibe that we won't be seeing a client I like anytime soon; or it'll be a very minimalistic client with no support for all the fancy modern features, in which case I'd likely get the same or better experience with IRC anyway.

githubalphapapa 5y ago
> But I get the vibe that we won't be seeing a client I like anytime soon; or it'll be a very minimalistic client with no support for all the fancy modern features, in which case I'd likely get the same or better experience with IRC anyway. I don't know if you're the Emacs type, but you might be interested in https://github.com/alphapapa/ement.el https://github.com/alphapapa/ement.el. It feels kind of like an upgraded IRC, with support for features like images and rich text, and it tries to be privacy-respecting (e.g. read receipts and typing notifications are enabled by default, to imitate Element, but optional). It doesn't support E2EE natively, but E2EE works through the Pantalaimon proxy, so it can be used with E2EE rooms that way. (Or if you don't care about E2EE rooms, like me (I mostly don't), you can use it in unencrypted rooms without using Pantalaimon.)
lrvick 5y ago
If you prefer Irssi I would suggest weechat-matrix which I have used with high stability for over a year. Today I use the F-Droid Element client and Element web client for all my chat needs and they just work for my needs. YMMV.

githubalphapapa 5y ago

> But I get the vibe that we won't be seeing a client I like anytime soon; or it'll be a very minimalistic client with no support for all the fancy modern features, in which case I'd likely get the same or better experience with IRC anyway. I don't know if you're the Emacs type, but you might be interested in https://github.com/alphapapa/ement.el https://github.com/alphapapa/ement.el. It feels kind of like an upgraded IRC, with support for features like images and rich text, and it tries to be privacy-respecting (e.g. read receipts and typing notifications are enabled by default, to imitate Element, but optional). It doesn't support E2EE natively, but E2EE works through the Pantalaimon proxy, so it can be used with E2EE rooms that way. (Or if you don't care about E2EE rooms, like me (I mostly don't), you can use it in unencrypted rooms without using Pantalaimon.)

lrvick 5y ago

If you prefer Irssi I would suggest weechat-matrix which I have used with high stability for over a year. Today I use the F-Droid Element client and Element web client for all my chat needs and they just work for my needs. YMMV.