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Your estimates are pretty spot on. I'd also add that security companies generally contract at double the hourly rate for officers, and $133,000/yr, $66.50/hr is

Your estimates are pretty spot on. I'd also add that security companies generally contract at double the hourly rate for officers, and $133,000/yr, $66.50/hr is simply not a mind-boggling number to be paying good quality armed security that need significant vetting and training.

ip26 5y ago
I had always thought military pay was pretty low, but apparently $133,000/yr is around what a First Lieutenant with 10yrs service makes. So perhaps that is quite reasonable for real security. https://myarmybenefits.us.army.mil/Benefit-Library/Federal-Benefits/Basic-Pay?serv=122 https://myarmybenefits.us.army.mil/Benefit-Library/Federal-B...
- wolverine876 5y ago
  > a First Lieutenant with 10yrs service Are there First Lt's with 10 years of service? I thought it was up or out.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    There has been more flexibility in that recently, as I understand (also, promotions from the ranks could easily do it, but those—at least for more than 4 year enlisted service—have different pay scales at at the O-1 to O-3 or -4, I forget, level)
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  - bradleyy 5y ago
    Sure. You make E-6, and then go to OCS. Now you're a 1LT with 10 years service. More frequent in National Guard.
- ip26 5y ago
  Update: hang on, despite the reference to bimonthly paychecks in the link, other sources seem to imply the numbers in the table are monthly rates, which would put $133,000 closer to Brigadier General. That would be a very different story!
  - refurb 5y ago
    My understanding is you need to account for base allowance for housing (BAH) and if deployed overseas, you get tax exemptions, healthcare, full retirement + pension after 20 years, etc, etc. Military pay for newly enlisted is quite low, but if you're living on base and not paying for housing or food, it's not bad. Officers get paid pretty well all in.
- adgjlsfhk1 5y ago
  Comparing to military pay is generally somewhat misleading since military comes with free housing (which is fairly considerable)
  - GravitasFailure 5y ago
    Food, housing, health care, and many businesses offer discounts. It does create an apples to oranges comparison to the private sector.
bigiain 5y ago
Surely the 30 people in that calculation at the locations Zuck is not currently at would be on-call, and not on full hourly rates though? I'd be a pretty sweet security gig, hanging out at Zuck's 2nd or 3rd house doing nothing much for weeks on end... (You'd probably have enough on-the-clock free time to get paid to learn to code and crank out a few startup ideas...)
- GravitasFailure 5y ago
  Just because a location is unoccupied doesn't mean it's safe to leave it unsecured. Besides the risks of people sneaking in to steal, take photos, or plant bugs, you also have stalkers that range from "I just wanted to meet my hero" to "I'm already in your bed, so we're going to have sex or I'm accusing you of rape" to "Your skin would make a nice jacket." They probably do have on call staff, but realistically he has 3-5 guards assigned to him specifically at all times with 24/7 coverage of key locations. And you're correct about chilling out and learning on the clock, it's kinda how I got my current gig. Most just watch Netflix though.
  - bryanrasmussen 5y ago
    >"Your skin would make a nice jacket." I think this part describes the cost differential between Zuckerberg and Besos; Besos is no longer good jacket material.
- 93po 5y ago
  Rich people don't usually do "on call" because that would suggest using a service-for-hire. Rich people hire everyone as directly as they can because it gives them maximum control.

ip26 5y ago

I had always thought military pay was pretty low, but apparently $133,000/yr is around what a First Lieutenant with 10yrs service makes. So perhaps that is quite reasonable for real security. https://myarmybenefits.us.army.mil/Benefit-Library/Federal-Benefits/Basic-Pay?serv=122 https://myarmybenefits.us.army.mil/Benefit-Library/Federal-B...

wolverine876 5y ago
> a First Lieutenant with 10yrs service Are there First Lt's with 10 years of service? I thought it was up or out.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  There has been more flexibility in that recently, as I understand (also, promotions from the ranks could easily do it, but those—at least for more than 4 year enlisted service—have different pay scales at at the O-1 to O-3 or -4, I forget, level)
- deleted 5y ago
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- bradleyy 5y ago
  Sure. You make E-6, and then go to OCS. Now you're a 1LT with 10 years service. More frequent in National Guard.
ip26 5y ago
Update: hang on, despite the reference to bimonthly paychecks in the link, other sources seem to imply the numbers in the table are monthly rates, which would put $133,000 closer to Brigadier General. That would be a very different story!
- refurb 5y ago
  My understanding is you need to account for base allowance for housing (BAH) and if deployed overseas, you get tax exemptions, healthcare, full retirement + pension after 20 years, etc, etc. Military pay for newly enlisted is quite low, but if you're living on base and not paying for housing or food, it's not bad. Officers get paid pretty well all in.
adgjlsfhk1 5y ago
Comparing to military pay is generally somewhat misleading since military comes with free housing (which is fairly considerable)
- GravitasFailure 5y ago
  Food, housing, health care, and many businesses offer discounts. It does create an apples to oranges comparison to the private sector.

bigiain 5y ago

Surely the 30 people in that calculation at the locations Zuck is not currently at would be on-call, and not on full hourly rates though? I'd be a pretty sweet security gig, hanging out at Zuck's 2nd or 3rd house doing nothing much for weeks on end... (You'd probably have enough on-the-clock free time to get paid to learn to code and crank out a few startup ideas...)

GravitasFailure 5y ago
Just because a location is unoccupied doesn't mean it's safe to leave it unsecured. Besides the risks of people sneaking in to steal, take photos, or plant bugs, you also have stalkers that range from "I just wanted to meet my hero" to "I'm already in your bed, so we're going to have sex or I'm accusing you of rape" to "Your skin would make a nice jacket." They probably do have on call staff, but realistically he has 3-5 guards assigned to him specifically at all times with 24/7 coverage of key locations. And you're correct about chilling out and learning on the clock, it's kinda how I got my current gig. Most just watch Netflix though.
- bryanrasmussen 5y ago
  >"Your skin would make a nice jacket." I think this part describes the cost differential between Zuckerberg and Besos; Besos is no longer good jacket material.
93po 5y ago
Rich people don't usually do "on call" because that would suggest using a service-for-hire. Rich people hire everyone as directly as they can because it gives them maximum control.