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If a girl lists you as the parent on the birth certificate, some places will require you to make child support payments even if you prove that your not the fath

If a girl lists you as the parent on the birth certificate, some places will require you to make child support payments even if you prove that your not the father, never had anything todo with the child, etc. Welfare office Argument being is that someone should pay for the kid.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> If a girl lists you as the parent on the birth certificate, some places will require you to make child support payments even if you prove that your not the father, never had anything todo with the child, etc. “Some places”? Really, which exactly? The only case I am aware of in any US jurisdiction where child support is required even in the face of proof of biological non-paternity is for children born in wedlock (sometimes with other requirements, such as marital cohabitation) in states where the marital presumption of paternity is conclusive (or conclusive when other requirements are met) rather than merely presumptive. And in that case it is literally what you legally signed up for.
- kelnos 5y ago
  That's... still pretty terrible. Let me see if I have this right. A man and woman marry. The woman cheats on the man and gets pregnant, but lies about it and passes the kid off as the husband's child. After the birth, husband is suspicious, gets a paternity test, finds out he's not the father, and divorces the mother. And yet the now-ex-husband is still required to pay for child support? If that's a thing that happens, that's genuinely awful. That is not something I (or anyone?) would want to legally sign up for; presumably people in those jurisdictions get married without knowing about this.
  - Maursault 5y ago
    Yes, divorce based on infidelity of the female due to non-paternity is terrible. If she was just sleeping around, maybe he'd have a point, but if procreation is her goal, then she is merely exercising her evolutionary imperative to ensure genetic diversity and quality of her offspring; having higher-quality offspring could theoretically give her more and healthier grandchildren later. I don't see how non-paternity is damaging to the male in any way, unless he is already mentally ill, iow NPD, which in itself justifies her infidelity and her own grounds for divorce. It just goes to show the institution of marriage is sexist. I'll never understand why a woman would ever want to be married. "fsck studs; get money" is the advice I give to the fairer gender. btw this is the Internet, and I am a straight man that is confident enough not to hold others to my own choice of fidelity for my own relationship. It's her life, she can do as she pleases, and even if I were married to her, it still would be absolutely none of my business.
    - emptyparadise 5y ago
      Sir, this is a tech link aggregator.
    - kelnos 5y ago
      You're of course welcome to your opinion, but I think you're pretty out of touch with how most people would react, and they're not "mentally ill".
      - Maursault 5y ago
        Argumentum ad populum. The crowd is untruth. Oversensitivity, low or no empathy, entitlement, control issues, holding grudges, passive-aggressive behavior, these are clear symptoms of mental illness, and unlike nearly all, of one that can be cured. Here's some wisdom about marriage from Kahlil Gibran: Give your hearts, but not into each other’s keeping. For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts. And stand together yet not too near together: For the pillars of the temple stand apart, And the oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other’s shadow.
    - voldacar 5y ago
      a lot to unpack here
      - Maursault 5y ago
        LOL, perfect reply. Levity supersedes gravity. Downvotes unwarranted.
- todd8 5y ago
  Here are three cases from three different states: https://lawandcrime.com/video/man-legally-forced-to-pay-child-support-even-after-dna-test-proves-hes-not-dad/ https://lawandcrime.com/video/man-legally-forced-to-pay-chil... https://thefreethoughtproject.com/court-forcing-man-pay-child-support-child-not-his/ https://thefreethoughtproject.com/court-forcing-man-pay-chil... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7591411/Florida-man-ordered-pay-child-support-DNA-test-proves-not-father.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7591411/Florida-man...

dragonwriter 5y ago

> If a girl lists you as the parent on the birth certificate, some places will require you to make child support payments even if you prove that your not the father, never had anything todo with the child, etc. “Some places”? Really, which exactly? The only case I am aware of in any US jurisdiction where child support is required even in the face of proof of biological non-paternity is for children born in wedlock (sometimes with other requirements, such as marital cohabitation) in states where the marital presumption of paternity is conclusive (or conclusive when other requirements are met) rather than merely presumptive. And in that case it is literally what you legally signed up for.

kelnos 5y ago
That's... still pretty terrible. Let me see if I have this right. A man and woman marry. The woman cheats on the man and gets pregnant, but lies about it and passes the kid off as the husband's child. After the birth, husband is suspicious, gets a paternity test, finds out he's not the father, and divorces the mother. And yet the now-ex-husband is still required to pay for child support? If that's a thing that happens, that's genuinely awful. That is not something I (or anyone?) would want to legally sign up for; presumably people in those jurisdictions get married without knowing about this.
- Maursault 5y ago
  Yes, divorce based on infidelity of the female due to non-paternity is terrible. If she was just sleeping around, maybe he'd have a point, but if procreation is her goal, then she is merely exercising her evolutionary imperative to ensure genetic diversity and quality of her offspring; having higher-quality offspring could theoretically give her more and healthier grandchildren later. I don't see how non-paternity is damaging to the male in any way, unless he is already mentally ill, iow NPD, which in itself justifies her infidelity and her own grounds for divorce. It just goes to show the institution of marriage is sexist. I'll never understand why a woman would ever want to be married. "fsck studs; get money" is the advice I give to the fairer gender. btw this is the Internet, and I am a straight man that is confident enough not to hold others to my own choice of fidelity for my own relationship. It's her life, she can do as she pleases, and even if I were married to her, it still would be absolutely none of my business.
  - emptyparadise 5y ago
    Sir, this is a tech link aggregator.
  - kelnos 5y ago
    You're of course welcome to your opinion, but I think you're pretty out of touch with how most people would react, and they're not "mentally ill".
    - Maursault 5y ago
      Argumentum ad populum. The crowd is untruth. Oversensitivity, low or no empathy, entitlement, control issues, holding grudges, passive-aggressive behavior, these are clear symptoms of mental illness, and unlike nearly all, of one that can be cured. Here's some wisdom about marriage from Kahlil Gibran: Give your hearts, but not into each other’s keeping. For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts. And stand together yet not too near together: For the pillars of the temple stand apart, And the oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other’s shadow.
  - voldacar 5y ago
    a lot to unpack here
    - Maursault 5y ago
      LOL, perfect reply. Levity supersedes gravity. Downvotes unwarranted.
todd8 5y ago
Here are three cases from three different states: https://lawandcrime.com/video/man-legally-forced-to-pay-child-support-even-after-dna-test-proves-hes-not-dad/ https://lawandcrime.com/video/man-legally-forced-to-pay-chil... https://thefreethoughtproject.com/court-forcing-man-pay-child-support-child-not-his/ https://thefreethoughtproject.com/court-forcing-man-pay-chil... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7591411/Florida-man-ordered-pay-child-support-DNA-test-proves-not-father.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7591411/Florida-man...