But all that assumes these measures do anything all! Prove these measures actually work (and to a degree that outweighs their cost) and then we can talk! Hence

But all that assumes these measures do anything all! Prove these measures actually work (and to a degree that outweighs their cost) and then we can talk! Hence my rain dance analogy. Until you prove this crap works, what we are doing is no better than rain dances.