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I don't think it's that naive. The argument, to me, is that bringing people into Texas to work shows that you are comfortable with the conditions. Similarly,

I don't think it's that naive. The argument, to me, is that bringing people into Texas to work shows that you are comfortable with the conditions. Similarly, increasing your investment there shows you're comfortable with it. They can try to limit new hires to people already in Texas, or only move single males in, but these options aren't appropriate for the 21st century. Simple retail operations, or even warehouse operations, aren't really non-local-hiring issues. So they're the least offensive/most-explainable options. Yeah, they can go all sports league and boycott Texas, but then they'd have to get out of China or other distasteful places. Or, they should just admit "we're just in it for the money, suck it up" and stopping their posturing. And no matter what you say or do re: Austin, it's in Texas. Nothing they can do, really, against their own state laws. Similarly, Montreal is a great city, but it's in Quebec and thus under the rule system of Quebec. At the end of the day, it's up to people to follow their moral compass in their daily lives. Companies are sociopathic.

Syonyk 5y ago
> ...or only move single males in... You know there are plenty of women who are strongly anti-abortion as well, right? Handwaving within a few percent, about 40% of women and 50% of men in the US are strongly anti-abortion according to Gallup and Pew surveys from the last few years. > ...but then they'd have to get out of China or other distasteful places. If only. They can't. China has Apple by the balls, and Apple knows it. The downsides of moving literally all of your manufacturing to a country that's increasingly "Do what we say or else."
- jleyank 5y ago
  I would argue that Apple is one of the companies with enough money to do WTF they want to do. So, as you point out, they ARE doing what they want to do and hope people take words over actions. The key will be if they have hiring problems as they're not going to have marketplace problems.
rscoots 5y ago
If we're talking about conditions for Apple employees, could they secure travel to another state for anyone wanting an abortion? Granted that comes with a substantial can of worms around privacy. Now that I think about it though, the 'conditions for employees' argument is pretty much just as morally hypocritical as a boycott when you bring China into play.
- Jtsummers 5y ago
  Technically, if Apple did that they'd open themselves up to lawsuits under the current law for aiding in an illegal (under this law) abortion. So they actually do have a stake in all of this since they could be named as the defendant in lawsuits in Texas if it stands and they stick with providing insurance coverage around abortions the Texas law now deems illegal.
  - rscoots 5y ago
    From what I'm reading online it seems to be legal to leave Texas to get an abortion currently. Maybe Apple has some framework for medical privacy in place they could leverage for this, and I've read Salesforce has already done it.

Syonyk 5y ago

> ...or only move single males in... You know there are plenty of women who are strongly anti-abortion as well, right? Handwaving within a few percent, about 40% of women and 50% of men in the US are strongly anti-abortion according to Gallup and Pew surveys from the last few years. > ...but then they'd have to get out of China or other distasteful places. If only. They can't. China has Apple by the balls, and Apple knows it. The downsides of moving literally all of your manufacturing to a country that's increasingly "Do what we say or else."

jleyank 5y ago
I would argue that Apple is one of the companies with enough money to do WTF they want to do. So, as you point out, they ARE doing what they want to do and hope people take words over actions. The key will be if they have hiring problems as they're not going to have marketplace problems.

rscoots 5y ago

If we're talking about conditions for Apple employees, could they secure travel to another state for anyone wanting an abortion? Granted that comes with a substantial can of worms around privacy. Now that I think about it though, the 'conditions for employees' argument is pretty much just as morally hypocritical as a boycott when you bring China into play.

Jtsummers 5y ago
Technically, if Apple did that they'd open themselves up to lawsuits under the current law for aiding in an illegal (under this law) abortion. So they actually do have a stake in all of this since they could be named as the defendant in lawsuits in Texas if it stands and they stick with providing insurance coverage around abortions the Texas law now deems illegal.
- rscoots 5y ago
  From what I'm reading online it seems to be legal to leave Texas to get an abortion currently. Maybe Apple has some framework for medical privacy in place they could leverage for this, and I've read Salesforce has already done it.