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The summary is: That’s the answer. You move your business out of Texas. Any company that expands or initiates new operations in Texas implicitly supports Texas

The summary is: That’s the answer. You move your business out of Texas. Any company that expands or initiates new operations in Texas implicitly supports Texas’s abortion ban. - So should they also stop selling to Texans iPhones? Or just close the stores there or the manufacturing facilities? Meanwhile Austin has different politics to elsewhere in Texas. Should Apple carve out an exception there as well?

adamrezich 5y ago
they should probably go ahead and enforce a no-travel policy as well, fire anyone who attends SXSW for instance. they should also go through their ranks and thoroughly question anyone who was born in or has lived in Texas in their life, just to be sure they have the correct worldview. and while you're doing that, might as well question all the Christians, especially those pesky Catholics, and ask anyone who doesn't agree with the company's values on this sensitive topic to renounce their faith or face termination. this is the only way to have a morally correct workplace where you know everyone shares the same values you do, and you don't have to fret about whether or not the guy in the cubicle next to you is morally bankrupt.
- monkeyfacebag 5y ago
  I don't think those are good ideas.
  - adamrezich 5y ago
    neither is allowing massive corporations taking moral stands on divisive political issues—wholly unrelated to the purview of their industry—to become socially acceptable!
    - monkeyfacebag 5y ago
      You would forbid it?
    - otterley 5y ago
      Corporations happen to be composed of people who do have opinions.
      - adamrezich 5y ago
        corporations are comprised of people that work for them, but corporations themselves are not people, regardless of the image social media managers try to portray. this is a crucial distinction.
        lostlogin 5y ago
        How would you apply that logic if a corporation took the bounty and reported an employee? A person didn’t do it?
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- hellisothers 5y ago
  Setting aside anybody opinions on this particular law/topic, are you suggesting companies shouldn’t “vote with their wallet/feet”? If you had a 2 person company and you were the CEO and SomeState enacted a law you strongly disagreed with would you not seek to limit your business’ support of that state?
  - adamrezich 5y ago
    comparing Apple to a two-person company is highly disingenuous. in the past decade or so we've slid into a world in which massive corporations start pretending to have morals outside of "increase value for shareholders" and it's absolutely ridiculous that anyone takes it seriously at all... especially when at the same time, everyone is on board with firing the Brendan Eichs and Palmer Luckeys of the world for their individual beliefs/donations! we cannot continue to allow a world where these gargantuan corporations attempt to exert moral influence on the populace, it's like we're just asking for a technocratic corporate dystopia at this point
    - monkeyfacebag 5y ago
      It just seems weird that you would choose forcing Apple and its employees to operate and live in Texas as the non-dystopian option.
      - adamrezich 5y ago
        where did I say I was advocating for forcing anyone to do anything? merely encouraging people to respond to massive corporate superficial moralizing with a "lmao ok bub you're a corporation not a person" instead of enthusiastic agreement would go a long ways.
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- otterley 5y ago
  Nobody's being asked to renounce their faith. Give us a break.
monkeyfacebag 5y ago
The law applies in Austin as well, no?
jleyank 5y ago
I don't think it's that naive. The argument, to me, is that bringing people into Texas to work shows that you are comfortable with the conditions. Similarly, increasing your investment there shows you're comfortable with it. They can try to limit new hires to people already in Texas, or only move single males in, but these options aren't appropriate for the 21st century. Simple retail operations, or even warehouse operations, aren't really non-local-hiring issues. So they're the least offensive/most-explainable options. Yeah, they can go all sports league and boycott Texas, but then they'd have to get out of China or other distasteful places. Or, they should just admit "we're just in it for the money, suck it up" and stopping their posturing. And no matter what you say or do re: Austin, it's in Texas. Nothing they can do, really, against their own state laws. Similarly, Montreal is a great city, but it's in Quebec and thus under the rule system of Quebec. At the end of the day, it's up to people to follow their moral compass in their daily lives. Companies are sociopathic.
- Syonyk 5y ago
  > ...or only move single males in... You know there are plenty of women who are strongly anti-abortion as well, right? Handwaving within a few percent, about 40% of women and 50% of men in the US are strongly anti-abortion according to Gallup and Pew surveys from the last few years. > ...but then they'd have to get out of China or other distasteful places. If only. They can't. China has Apple by the balls, and Apple knows it. The downsides of moving literally all of your manufacturing to a country that's increasingly "Do what we say or else."
  - jleyank 5y ago
    I would argue that Apple is one of the companies with enough money to do WTF they want to do. So, as you point out, they ARE doing what they want to do and hope people take words over actions. The key will be if they have hiring problems as they're not going to have marketplace problems.
- rscoots 5y ago
  If we're talking about conditions for Apple employees, could they secure travel to another state for anyone wanting an abortion? Granted that comes with a substantial can of worms around privacy. Now that I think about it though, the 'conditions for employees' argument is pretty much just as morally hypocritical as a boycott when you bring China into play.

adamrezich 5y ago

they should probably go ahead and enforce a no-travel policy as well, fire anyone who attends SXSW for instance. they should also go through their ranks and thoroughly question anyone who was born in or has lived in Texas in their life, just to be sure they have the correct worldview. and while you're doing that, might as well question all the Christians, especially those pesky Catholics, and ask anyone who doesn't agree with the company's values on this sensitive topic to renounce their faith or face termination. this is the only way to have a morally correct workplace where you know everyone shares the same values you do, and you don't have to fret about whether or not the guy in the cubicle next to you is morally bankrupt.

monkeyfacebag 5y ago
I don't think those are good ideas.
- adamrezich 5y ago
  neither is allowing massive corporations taking moral stands on divisive political issues—wholly unrelated to the purview of their industry—to become socially acceptable!
  - monkeyfacebag 5y ago
    You would forbid it?
  - otterley 5y ago
    Corporations happen to be composed of people who do have opinions.
    - adamrezich 5y ago
      corporations are comprised of people that work for them, but corporations themselves are not people, regardless of the image social media managers try to portray. this is a crucial distinction.
      - lostlogin 5y ago
        How would you apply that logic if a corporation took the bounty and reported an employee? A person didn’t do it?
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hellisothers 5y ago
Setting aside anybody opinions on this particular law/topic, are you suggesting companies shouldn’t “vote with their wallet/feet”? If you had a 2 person company and you were the CEO and SomeState enacted a law you strongly disagreed with would you not seek to limit your business’ support of that state?
- adamrezich 5y ago
  comparing Apple to a two-person company is highly disingenuous. in the past decade or so we've slid into a world in which massive corporations start pretending to have morals outside of "increase value for shareholders" and it's absolutely ridiculous that anyone takes it seriously at all... especially when at the same time, everyone is on board with firing the Brendan Eichs and Palmer Luckeys of the world for their individual beliefs/donations! we cannot continue to allow a world where these gargantuan corporations attempt to exert moral influence on the populace, it's like we're just asking for a technocratic corporate dystopia at this point
  - monkeyfacebag 5y ago
    It just seems weird that you would choose forcing Apple and its employees to operate and live in Texas as the non-dystopian option.
    - adamrezich 5y ago
      where did I say I was advocating for forcing anyone to do anything? merely encouraging people to respond to massive corporate superficial moralizing with a "lmao ok bub you're a corporation not a person" instead of enthusiastic agreement would go a long ways.
      - deleted 5y ago
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otterley 5y ago
Nobody's being asked to renounce their faith. Give us a break.

monkeyfacebag 5y ago

The law applies in Austin as well, no?

jleyank 5y ago

I don't think it's that naive. The argument, to me, is that bringing people into Texas to work shows that you are comfortable with the conditions. Similarly, increasing your investment there shows you're comfortable with it. They can try to limit new hires to people already in Texas, or only move single males in, but these options aren't appropriate for the 21st century. Simple retail operations, or even warehouse operations, aren't really non-local-hiring issues. So they're the least offensive/most-explainable options. Yeah, they can go all sports league and boycott Texas, but then they'd have to get out of China or other distasteful places. Or, they should just admit "we're just in it for the money, suck it up" and stopping their posturing. And no matter what you say or do re: Austin, it's in Texas. Nothing they can do, really, against their own state laws. Similarly, Montreal is a great city, but it's in Quebec and thus under the rule system of Quebec. At the end of the day, it's up to people to follow their moral compass in their daily lives. Companies are sociopathic.

Syonyk 5y ago
> ...or only move single males in... You know there are plenty of women who are strongly anti-abortion as well, right? Handwaving within a few percent, about 40% of women and 50% of men in the US are strongly anti-abortion according to Gallup and Pew surveys from the last few years. > ...but then they'd have to get out of China or other distasteful places. If only. They can't. China has Apple by the balls, and Apple knows it. The downsides of moving literally all of your manufacturing to a country that's increasingly "Do what we say or else."
- jleyank 5y ago
  I would argue that Apple is one of the companies with enough money to do WTF they want to do. So, as you point out, they ARE doing what they want to do and hope people take words over actions. The key will be if they have hiring problems as they're not going to have marketplace problems.
rscoots 5y ago
If we're talking about conditions for Apple employees, could they secure travel to another state for anyone wanting an abortion? Granted that comes with a substantial can of worms around privacy. Now that I think about it though, the 'conditions for employees' argument is pretty much just as morally hypocritical as a boycott when you bring China into play.