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> Actually (and this might sound crazy, but I encourage you to think through it and respond), why not apply this logic to COVID-19 vaccines, as well? I've neve

> Actually (and this might sound crazy, but I encourage you to think through it and respond), why not apply this logic to COVID-19 vaccines, as well? I've never heard of a vaccine that causes viruses to seek resistance to it, that's one major difference. The vaccines don't actually attack the virus, they simply train your body's own immune system to recognize the virus, so that if you get infected, your body's own defenses can more quickly isolate the virus and attack it. What I've heard happen more often in viruses, is that the more people get the virus and the more their body is slow to stop the virus from reproducing, the more likely the virus is to mutate. So from my understanding, with viruses, it is the opposite, you want to make sure the virus doesn't get a chance to reproduce itself, because more reproduction = more chance of mutation. And vaccines help lower the reproduction amount of a virus by having people's immune system be able to stop it from doing so much more quickly than otherwise. > why not use non-pharmaceutical means to try to control the virus (which would be equivalent to dog racetrack owners trying to keep their racetrack clean You mean like for example by social distancing, wearing masks, disinfecting surfaces, improving air flow, and restricting activities that are high contagion spots? Most countries are doing that already, while also hoping to get people vaccinated so that we can lower the virus' chances of reproducing and thus spreading to others as well as mutating. > Or is there a difference between SARS-CoV-2 and hookworms/common livestock bacterial infections that matters in this case? It is my understanding that a virus does not reproduce when it is on a surface or in the air, the way that bacteria and parasite can, a virus can only reproduce when inside of a living cell. So the virus will mutate if people have the virus in their body, and their immune system is not able to stop it from reproducing. Vaccines help teach the immune system how to best get rid of the virus in one's body so it doesn't get a lot of chances to reproduce. And measures like social distancing, face covering, surface cleaning, prevent the virus from getting into people's body in the first place, where they could reproduce and thus mutate.

twofornone 5y ago
>I've never heard of a vaccine that causes viruses to seek resistance to it, that's one major difference. The vaccines don't actually attack the virus, they simply train your body's own immune system to recognize the virus, so that if you get infected, your body's own defenses can more quickly isolate the virus and attack it. Actually, there's a related but far worse form of adaptation that can be precipitated by leaky vaccines (vaccines that do not prevent infection or shedding), an example is Marek's disease in poultry [0]. Long story short, after some number of decades of vaccination, the virus now has approximately 100% lethality in non-vaccinated chickens, orders of magnitude worse than pre-vaccine. And, not to blaspheme, but all data seems to indicate that the mRNA vaccines are indeed leaky, this is definitely a subject which should be receiving far more attention IMO from regulatory bodies like the FDA, but there seems to be a severe stigma against criticizing the vaccines... 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease
didibus 5y ago
I'm seeing some down-votes, but it's hard for me to know if it's just because of the overly political nature of the topic or if my understanding of viruses in this case is flawed? From my reading on the topics I believe it correct to the best of my abilities, but this is not my area of professional expertise, so I'd love to hear from people who might know more about it.

twofornone 5y ago

>I've never heard of a vaccine that causes viruses to seek resistance to it, that's one major difference. The vaccines don't actually attack the virus, they simply train your body's own immune system to recognize the virus, so that if you get infected, your body's own defenses can more quickly isolate the virus and attack it. Actually, there's a related but far worse form of adaptation that can be precipitated by leaky vaccines (vaccines that do not prevent infection or shedding), an example is Marek's disease in poultry [0]. Long story short, after some number of decades of vaccination, the virus now has approximately 100% lethality in non-vaccinated chickens, orders of magnitude worse than pre-vaccine. And, not to blaspheme, but all data seems to indicate that the mRNA vaccines are indeed leaky, this is definitely a subject which should be receiving far more attention IMO from regulatory bodies like the FDA, but there seems to be a severe stigma against criticizing the vaccines... 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease

didibus 5y ago

I'm seeing some down-votes, but it's hard for me to know if it's just because of the overly political nature of the topic or if my understanding of viruses in this case is flawed? From my reading on the topics I believe it correct to the best of my abilities, but this is not my area of professional expertise, so I'd love to hear from people who might know more about it.