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For context, ProtonDB is a database of Steam games and how well they work on Linux through Wine/Proton. A huge number of the "borked" games are using some kind

For context, ProtonDB is a database of Steam games and how well they work on Linux through Wine/Proton. A huge number of the "borked" games are using some kind of anti-cheat and that's the main reason the game doesn't work. EAC is one of the most-used anti-cheat systems in gaming. Between EAC and BattleEye, you're hitting the Pareto Principle for anti-cheat support. Four of the top 10 Steam games use anti-cheat and therefore cannot run currently. Two of those four use EAC. https://www.protondb.com/ https://www.protondb.com/

judge2020 5y ago
Worth noting that the VAC games on that list, CS:GO, TF2, and Dota 2, have effectively given up on actually detecting and preventing cheaters and now rely on server-based or community-consensus methods of finding and punishing cheaters (with TF2 being the exception with how little maintenance Valve performs on it). Both CS:GO and Dota 2 have a report+overwatch system where users watch a replay to determine if someone is exhibiting suspicious cheating behavior. The server side of this is VACnet where it uses heuristics like mouse movement or [in Dota] clicking out of regular camera bounds to detect these cheaters and expedite them to the Overwatch queue. You can readily download the biggest script client for Dota 2, and VAC ban waves for using it have been unheard of for years now (you only get an in-game ban when enough other players verify the cheating via Overwatch). https://youtu.be/SnRgW54EWwA https://youtu.be/SnRgW54EWwA https://www.pcgamer.com/vacnet-csgo/ https://www.pcgamer.com/vacnet-csgo/
- hpfr 5y ago
  I can’t quite tell if you think this system is reasonably effective or not. It certainly seems less invasive, so it would be good if it were. Are you able to comment on that? > You can readily download the biggest script client for Dota 2, and VAC ban waves for using it have been unheard of for years now (you only get an in-game ban when enough other players verify the cheating via Overwatch). Does this mean you think the ban process is too slow and involved?
  - judge2020 5y ago
    The system is effective for CS:GO and Dota mostly because the nature of the games; things like Fog Of War[0] (which applies to both of these games and Valorant) help bring down the upper bounds of how much a cheat can help the cheater, and the rest of the potential things a cheat can do (like aimbot in CS:GO, or auto-disable in Dota[1]) are easy for VACnet/Overwatch reviewers to detect since the movements are usually non-human-like. > Does this mean you think the ban process is too slow and involved? As VACnet and Overwatch reviewers become more experienced it really brings down just how much the cheats can help the player, to the point where using them barely makes a difference or only allows them to use informational cheats. I just don't think this will work for every game, and certainly isn't something every game developer wants to have to implement & maintain. 0: https://technology.riotgames.com/news/demolishing-wallhacks-valorants-fog-war https://technology.riotgames.com/news/demolishing-wallhacks-... 1: https://redd.it/psb7h7 https://redd.it/psb7h7 - an example. In the second part of the video, the Invoker cheater targets the Axe with one of his items without moving his mouse to the Axe, which saves him from being disabled/taunted - but a human would have to click or hover their mouse on the Axe to disable him.
- oliwarner 5y ago
  Community moderation with persistent outcomes (eg VAC ban) is great for games you have to pay for, but it's really abrasive to a F2P community if there's am endless stream of cheaters.
  - judge2020 5y ago
    Both CS:GO and Dota are F2P, but yes, most cheaters just purchase new accounts/create new accounts. They've had to put mitigations for this like requiring x hours/x games to play competitive game modes.
    - TingPing 5y ago
      I believe all free CSGO players are in a different pool, you must pay or play a lot to be in the prime pool of players.
- philliphaydon 5y ago
  If I’m bored I can jump into either dota2 or cs:go and play and win and have fun. If I join warzone modern warfare… omg i sometimes die right after dropping from the plane due to aimbots. Or I could be inside a building not standing next to wall not in line of sight with 1 door. Boom dead from someone shooting outside with wall hack. I didn’t install it on my gaming laptop because it’s filled with hackers now.
moistoreos 5y ago
Just to be clear, the rating is NOT how well they work but how easy it is to get the game up and running. That said, in a majority of cases, the quality of the runtime of the game is usually correlated to the rating given on ProtonDB.

judge2020 5y ago

Worth noting that the VAC games on that list, CS:GO, TF2, and Dota 2, have effectively given up on actually detecting and preventing cheaters and now rely on server-based or community-consensus methods of finding and punishing cheaters (with TF2 being the exception with how little maintenance Valve performs on it). Both CS:GO and Dota 2 have a report+overwatch system where users watch a replay to determine if someone is exhibiting suspicious cheating behavior. The server side of this is VACnet where it uses heuristics like mouse movement or [in Dota] clicking out of regular camera bounds to detect these cheaters and expedite them to the Overwatch queue. You can readily download the biggest script client for Dota 2, and VAC ban waves for using it have been unheard of for years now (you only get an in-game ban when enough other players verify the cheating via Overwatch). https://youtu.be/SnRgW54EWwA https://youtu.be/SnRgW54EWwA https://www.pcgamer.com/vacnet-csgo/ https://www.pcgamer.com/vacnet-csgo/

hpfr 5y ago
I can’t quite tell if you think this system is reasonably effective or not. It certainly seems less invasive, so it would be good if it were. Are you able to comment on that? > You can readily download the biggest script client for Dota 2, and VAC ban waves for using it have been unheard of for years now (you only get an in-game ban when enough other players verify the cheating via Overwatch). Does this mean you think the ban process is too slow and involved?
- judge2020 5y ago
  The system is effective for CS:GO and Dota mostly because the nature of the games; things like Fog Of War[0] (which applies to both of these games and Valorant) help bring down the upper bounds of how much a cheat can help the cheater, and the rest of the potential things a cheat can do (like aimbot in CS:GO, or auto-disable in Dota[1]) are easy for VACnet/Overwatch reviewers to detect since the movements are usually non-human-like. > Does this mean you think the ban process is too slow and involved? As VACnet and Overwatch reviewers become more experienced it really brings down just how much the cheats can help the player, to the point where using them barely makes a difference or only allows them to use informational cheats. I just don't think this will work for every game, and certainly isn't something every game developer wants to have to implement & maintain. 0: https://technology.riotgames.com/news/demolishing-wallhacks-valorants-fog-war https://technology.riotgames.com/news/demolishing-wallhacks-... 1: https://redd.it/psb7h7 https://redd.it/psb7h7 - an example. In the second part of the video, the Invoker cheater targets the Axe with one of his items without moving his mouse to the Axe, which saves him from being disabled/taunted - but a human would have to click or hover their mouse on the Axe to disable him.
oliwarner 5y ago
Community moderation with persistent outcomes (eg VAC ban) is great for games you have to pay for, but it's really abrasive to a F2P community if there's am endless stream of cheaters.
- judge2020 5y ago
  Both CS:GO and Dota are F2P, but yes, most cheaters just purchase new accounts/create new accounts. They've had to put mitigations for this like requiring x hours/x games to play competitive game modes.
  - TingPing 5y ago
    I believe all free CSGO players are in a different pool, you must pay or play a lot to be in the prime pool of players.
philliphaydon 5y ago
If I’m bored I can jump into either dota2 or cs:go and play and win and have fun. If I join warzone modern warfare… omg i sometimes die right after dropping from the plane due to aimbots. Or I could be inside a building not standing next to wall not in line of sight with 1 door. Boom dead from someone shooting outside with wall hack. I didn’t install it on my gaming laptop because it’s filled with hackers now.

moistoreos 5y ago

Just to be clear, the rating is NOT how well they work but how easy it is to get the game up and running. That said, in a majority of cases, the quality of the runtime of the game is usually correlated to the rating given on ProtonDB.