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I don't reckon this is something that is taxed. We don't get taxed if an employer pays for us to go to a conference, offers us legal advice, etc.

andi999 5y ago
Actually here if the employer pays too much for going to a conference (for some countries more than 24€ per day for food) then that amount needs to be taxed.
- lostlogin 5y ago
  Wow, which countries? 3 meals for 24 euros sounds like a trip I wouldn’t want to take. My tastes are plain.
  - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
    In the UK it's called Benefit in Kind. There are special rules for company cars, loans, and accommodation. But significant private use of phones and computers and such can be treated as taxable income. As can non-business travel and entertaining. All of which are grey areas. You invite some visitors from another company out for a meal after a meeting. Unsurprisingly, you spend some time talking about business - and some not. Is that business entertaining, or not? You're self employed, you spend a lot of time on social media, partly because every so often you find something that's useful for your business, even though most of it is just noise, and some of it is entertainment. Business use of your computer, or not? It's all debatable, and can cause real issues if the Inland Revenue expects business use to mean business hours in an office and nothing but.
  - realityking 5y ago
    In Germany the tax free reimbursed for a day of domestic travel is capped at 28€ for a full 24h day and 14€ for partial days. If any meals are provided by the company (e.g. as part of a dinner with clients) that’s reduced by 20% for breakfast and 40% for lunch and dinner respectively. For comparison, for San Francisco the rate is 51€.
munk-a 5y ago
The conference and some sorts of legal expenses are pretty legitimate expenditures if you operate with the opinion that going to a conference makes you a more productive employee. Training employees definitely shouldn't be double taxed (we might even want to subsidize it as a society) but it's a hard area of activities to define. Legal expenses brought on solely due to your employment (i.e. the rando manager at dominion that a bunch of people sued last year) also shouldn't be considered individual benefits. Employers should never have the ability to shift liabilities onto employees without really good cause (i.e. gross negligence). That's why, if there's an accident at an autoshop with a lift and you're injured you're generally better off suing the shop rather than the employee.

andi999 5y ago

Actually here if the employer pays too much for going to a conference (for some countries more than 24€ per day for food) then that amount needs to be taxed.

lostlogin 5y ago
Wow, which countries? 3 meals for 24 euros sounds like a trip I wouldn’t want to take. My tastes are plain.
- TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
  In the UK it's called Benefit in Kind. There are special rules for company cars, loans, and accommodation. But significant private use of phones and computers and such can be treated as taxable income. As can non-business travel and entertaining. All of which are grey areas. You invite some visitors from another company out for a meal after a meeting. Unsurprisingly, you spend some time talking about business - and some not. Is that business entertaining, or not? You're self employed, you spend a lot of time on social media, partly because every so often you find something that's useful for your business, even though most of it is just noise, and some of it is entertainment. Business use of your computer, or not? It's all debatable, and can cause real issues if the Inland Revenue expects business use to mean business hours in an office and nothing but.
- realityking 5y ago
  In Germany the tax free reimbursed for a day of domestic travel is capped at 28€ for a full 24h day and 14€ for partial days. If any meals are provided by the company (e.g. as part of a dinner with clients) that’s reduced by 20% for breakfast and 40% for lunch and dinner respectively. For comparison, for San Francisco the rate is 51€.

munk-a 5y ago

The conference and some sorts of legal expenses are pretty legitimate expenditures if you operate with the opinion that going to a conference makes you a more productive employee. Training employees definitely shouldn't be double taxed (we might even want to subsidize it as a society) but it's a hard area of activities to define. Legal expenses brought on solely due to your employment (i.e. the rando manager at dominion that a bunch of people sued last year) also shouldn't be considered individual benefits. Employers should never have the ability to shift liabilities onto employees without really good cause (i.e. gross negligence). That's why, if there's an accident at an autoshop with a lift and you're injured you're generally better off suing the shop rather than the employee.