Yes, indeed. Long time ObjC programmer (and C++). However I've come to appreciate Swift a lot more recently. What had taken pages of code can now be coded in

Yes, indeed. Long time ObjC programmer (and C++). However I've come to appreciate Swift a lot more recently. What had taken pages of code can now be coded in just a page of Swift. That's nice. I still like OBjC, nonetheless. But I'm liking Swift a bit more. The fact that it's stabilizing is a key feature to this. My objections to Swift have been how changes would pull the rug out from under what you'd already learned and coded before 5.0. I agree with the documentation issue. A lot of features can't be found short of watching WWDC videos. And even then... The other issues are "bad faith" and "bad intent" with privacy lately. I've actively removing and abandoning most of my use of iCloud because I can't really trust Apple even on that anymore.