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Let me repeat my words: "All the greatest scientists in late 1970s were talking about coming of a new Ice Age." Different theories of global warming at that tim

Let me repeat my words: "All the greatest scientists in late 1970s were talking about coming of a new Ice Age." Different theories of global warming at that time were only theories and not that significant and are not even comparable to that heavy weight of the whale what is understood under "Global warming" today. >You can’t use sci-fi to draw conclusions about anything except the culture in which it rises. I can draw conclusion about culture of that age - just like I can draw conclusions of my own on this culture of modern era, which sure will also raise questions to future generations. However my conclusions about human behaviours has nothing to do with the volcanic activity, that will prove theory of Global warming wrong. My main point here is that Sid Meyer during the creation of his game probably had no idea about those early global warming papers and "research" that you are so eager to point in that publication from earlier times - including earlier centuries, but clearly the idea about global warming was in the air in 1980s for completelly different reasons. Since I did not live in US, I can't recollect any talks about global warming in 1980s - this really exploded in my region only in 2000s(not much after it became a thing in US), when effects of global warming could be seen and when Al Gore was pioneering the usage of this question to gain political power. >Explain. The wiki part is not that interesting as background story of childish - even Hitler Nazi behaviour of scientists, where the one who provided that chart(without any proof) and who later could not admit that he was wrong about calculations(that this whole model was based upon) and who caused grief to anyone else who opposeed him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_graph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_graph >The other 10% is the problem. Providing numbers like these are what I call a religious belief.

ben_w 5y ago
> even Hitler Nazi behaviour of scientists, Rounding up millions and forcing them into slave labour camps and working them to death in weapons factories in a futile effort to conquer the Soviet Union? No? Then have you considered the possibility that it’s the “it’s not real” campaigners who are politicising this? > However my conclusions about human behaviours has nothing to do with the volcanic activity, that will prove theory of Global warming wrong. Volcanic activity is already accounted for. Human activity vastly exceeds its effects. > Providing numbers like these are what I call a religious belief. What would you consider “not religious”? I’m basing 90%-ish on the size of change we are concerned with preventing versus the magnitude of the difference between the earth and the moon: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Average%20temperature%20earth%20average%20temperature%20moon http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Average%20temperature%2... Though frankly, as you’ve already gone for argument by reductio-nazi-absurdum, I’m honestly expecting you to dispute the temperature of the moon at this point.
- Bobylonian 5y ago
  Nazis and Soviets had ability to destroy lives of people even without sending them to labor camps. Not sure what you had in mind, but people in British weapon factories also were worked and driven to death. >Volcanic activity is already accounted for. Human activity vastly exceeds its effects. Be real. That is neither possible according to modern human technological advances, nor is true. >What would you consider “not religious”? Anything that is not based on belief. >I’m basing 90%-ish on the size of change we are concerned with preventing versus the magnitude of the difference between the earth and the moon Well, that is interesting and unique take upon the global warming, but somehow without dipping into this deeper I don't think, that this approach is effective to describe global warming or is even taken into account. This only reflects, that you are a human being and have independent thinking, but I would not waste that on something that is waste of time... unless you are serious on making career on this. >Though frankly, as you’ve already gone for argument by reductio-nazi-absurdum, I’m honestly expecting you to dispute the temperature of the moon at this point. Are you ok? You decided to be white knight because I responded to someones else comment that he was picking out and declaring, that we knew about global warming forever, which is not so. People in northern hemisphere would specifically ignore memories about gradual warming or warmer periods and remember about cold winters and tell about them for other generations - it is just how it happened, and they would not tell about something good, that gave them slightly better tan, but they would tell about those winters that killed their cattle and how they survived through it. Dude, just calm down - arguing is one thing, but I do not deserve your personal attack on me - only because I have my own opinion about this scam and also about the people who use it to gain personal benefits out of it. Of course Sun sunspot maximum is coming closer and there is also link to that people get crazy during that period... anyway - this is way off the topic of Sid Meyers Civilization, when people were not as batshit crazy about nothing as now.

ben_w 5y ago

> even Hitler Nazi behaviour of scientists, Rounding up millions and forcing them into slave labour camps and working them to death in weapons factories in a futile effort to conquer the Soviet Union? No? Then have you considered the possibility that it’s the “it’s not real” campaigners who are politicising this? > However my conclusions about human behaviours has nothing to do with the volcanic activity, that will prove theory of Global warming wrong. Volcanic activity is already accounted for. Human activity vastly exceeds its effects. > Providing numbers like these are what I call a religious belief. What would you consider “not religious”? I’m basing 90%-ish on the size of change we are concerned with preventing versus the magnitude of the difference between the earth and the moon: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Average%20temperature%20earth%20average%20temperature%20moon http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Average%20temperature%2... Though frankly, as you’ve already gone for argument by reductio-nazi-absurdum, I’m honestly expecting you to dispute the temperature of the moon at this point.

Bobylonian 5y ago
Nazis and Soviets had ability to destroy lives of people even without sending them to labor camps. Not sure what you had in mind, but people in British weapon factories also were worked and driven to death. >Volcanic activity is already accounted for. Human activity vastly exceeds its effects. Be real. That is neither possible according to modern human technological advances, nor is true. >What would you consider “not religious”? Anything that is not based on belief. >I’m basing 90%-ish on the size of change we are concerned with preventing versus the magnitude of the difference between the earth and the moon Well, that is interesting and unique take upon the global warming, but somehow without dipping into this deeper I don't think, that this approach is effective to describe global warming or is even taken into account. This only reflects, that you are a human being and have independent thinking, but I would not waste that on something that is waste of time... unless you are serious on making career on this. >Though frankly, as you’ve already gone for argument by reductio-nazi-absurdum, I’m honestly expecting you to dispute the temperature of the moon at this point. Are you ok? You decided to be white knight because I responded to someones else comment that he was picking out and declaring, that we knew about global warming forever, which is not so. People in northern hemisphere would specifically ignore memories about gradual warming or warmer periods and remember about cold winters and tell about them for other generations - it is just how it happened, and they would not tell about something good, that gave them slightly better tan, but they would tell about those winters that killed their cattle and how they survived through it. Dude, just calm down - arguing is one thing, but I do not deserve your personal attack on me - only because I have my own opinion about this scam and also about the people who use it to gain personal benefits out of it. Of course Sun sunspot maximum is coming closer and there is also link to that people get crazy during that period... anyway - this is way off the topic of Sid Meyers Civilization, when people were not as batshit crazy about nothing as now.