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that is not really different from Ferrari or McLaren or any other of the fastest cars on the planet. EDIT: i'm being downvoted but these manufacturers build ma

by elif 5y ago

that is not really different from Ferrari or McLaren or any other of the fastest cars on the planet. EDIT: i'm being downvoted but these manufacturers build machines capable of extreme performance, and have interest in maintaining their reputation. If you think i'm exaggerating, there are repairs where you are required to ship your car to the McLaren or Ferrari factory. The Ferrari FXX is not allowed to leave the track ever.

dr_orpheus 5y ago
I think you are being downvoted because it is not a completely apt comparison. While Tesla does make luxury/performance cars, they are also used as people's primary means of transportation, not just track cars like the FXX (or the Enzo which I believe is the road-legal equivalent). So they are less like Ferrari and McLaren where I can't any new car for less than six figures and more on par with Audi/Lexus/etc.
- elif 5y ago
  I'm not sure why it isn't apt? a performance part has to perform under certain constraints regardless of the MSRP of the vehicle. Daily Driver ferraris and mclarens are also laughably expensive to maintain as /the norm/ Unlike this defective battery which is /an exception/ also the "going to landfills" bit is really FUD. Tesla repairs your vehicle by installing a new battery, and tesla recycles the old battery themselves. The loop is as small as possible and there is no landfill in it.
  - vonmoltke 5y ago
    Ferrari makes about 8,400 cars a year, almost entirely assembled by hand. McLaren produces just shy of 5,000 per year. Tesla is currently producing about the combined number per week. Ferrari and McLaren cars are a very exclusive club. Ferrari, to my understanding, explicitly limits production capacity to maintain that exclusivity. The practices of these two companies are in no way comparable to the practices of a large-volume automaker.
    - elif 5y ago
      Alright then for your sake i'll compare it to something I am intimately familiar with: Battery replacement on the 2012 nissan leaf, my first EV and my current Daily Driver. After almost a complete decade I'm down to 78-84% of the original battery capacity. Before buying a tesla, i investigated the cost of replacing the battery out of warranty though Nissan. The cost estimate i got on the phone was over $14k. That's for a battery about 1/3 the capacity of a tesla battery. Tesla has a reputation for their batteries catching fire less than their competitors... not letting people hack up their batteries has a large part of that. Allowing 0.5% or however many people ruin their battery risk their own safety for cash would impact the perception of tesla battery safety far more than 0.5% so it is obviously a smart move to preserve their reputation, in a manner consistent with mclaren insisting on applying their own special glue in Woking to preserve the reputation of mclaren roofs not coming off.
ajsnigrutin 5y ago
But neither of those cars are comparable to tesla... those are showoff sport cars... tesla is comparable to standard BMWs, audis and mercedes'. All three companies have a huge number of authorised and 3rd party repair shops, doing everything, from "just swap it out" to a lot of manual work to save cost on parts.

by elif 5y ago

dr_orpheus 5y ago

I think you are being downvoted because it is not a completely apt comparison. While Tesla does make luxury/performance cars, they are also used as people's primary means of transportation, not just track cars like the FXX (or the Enzo which I believe is the road-legal equivalent). So they are less like Ferrari and McLaren where I can't any new car for less than six figures and more on par with Audi/Lexus/etc.

elif 5y ago
I'm not sure why it isn't apt? a performance part has to perform under certain constraints regardless of the MSRP of the vehicle. Daily Driver ferraris and mclarens are also laughably expensive to maintain as /the norm/ Unlike this defective battery which is /an exception/ also the "going to landfills" bit is really FUD. Tesla repairs your vehicle by installing a new battery, and tesla recycles the old battery themselves. The loop is as small as possible and there is no landfill in it.
- vonmoltke 5y ago
  Ferrari makes about 8,400 cars a year, almost entirely assembled by hand. McLaren produces just shy of 5,000 per year. Tesla is currently producing about the combined number per week. Ferrari and McLaren cars are a very exclusive club. Ferrari, to my understanding, explicitly limits production capacity to maintain that exclusivity. The practices of these two companies are in no way comparable to the practices of a large-volume automaker.
  - elif 5y ago
    Alright then for your sake i'll compare it to something I am intimately familiar with: Battery replacement on the 2012 nissan leaf, my first EV and my current Daily Driver. After almost a complete decade I'm down to 78-84% of the original battery capacity. Before buying a tesla, i investigated the cost of replacing the battery out of warranty though Nissan. The cost estimate i got on the phone was over $14k. That's for a battery about 1/3 the capacity of a tesla battery. Tesla has a reputation for their batteries catching fire less than their competitors... not letting people hack up their batteries has a large part of that. Allowing 0.5% or however many people ruin their battery risk their own safety for cash would impact the perception of tesla battery safety far more than 0.5% so it is obviously a smart move to preserve their reputation, in a manner consistent with mclaren insisting on applying their own special glue in Woking to preserve the reputation of mclaren roofs not coming off.

ajsnigrutin 5y ago

But neither of those cars are comparable to tesla... those are showoff sport cars... tesla is comparable to standard BMWs, audis and mercedes'. All three companies have a huge number of authorised and 3rd party repair shops, doing everything, from "just swap it out" to a lot of manual work to save cost on parts.