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> I just opted for a 2022 Nissan Leaf over a Tesla Model 3 If you want Leaf because you want lower price, feel free. No problem with it. But if you think the
by nickik 5y ago
> I just opted for a 2022 Nissan Leaf over a Tesla Model 3
If you want Leaf because you want lower price, feel free. No problem with it.
But if you think the electronics or architecture in the Leaf are superior in any you are simply wrong.
> I really really really want to like Tesla, but this is beyond insane.
You are simply wrong on your assumptions about how Tesla works.
Yes Tesla has unified a lot of functionality into one core system, but literally every car maker is copping that strategy. In fact the older 10-100s of chips distributed system talking over buses was actually much, much more prone to bugs.
Even if that main system fails, the Tesla can still drive, this has been shown often by many people who rebuild Tesla or had issues with the core computation.
> I sincerely hope that SpaceX avionics are not designed this way.
Go look at the teardown and analysis of Tesla. Seriously, I highly recommend Sandy Munro. They do incredibly detailed teardowns of cars including Tesla. They have been doing it for decade and their business is selling that information to other car makers for (50k a pop).
Its actually the other way around. Tesla cars are designed more like SpaceX rockets or fighter
jets in terms of electronics.
You can actually get their documents of the BMW i3 for just 10$ and you can basically rebuild the car yourself.
And literally everything they said about Tesla in terms of electronics was positive and well ahead of industry standards.
> It also has a 12V lead-acid battery that can power all the electronics if the main power system totally eats itself
So does every Tesla except new generation Model S. They have a 12V LiIon battery instead. And it has the same function as in a Leaf.
Elon has for a long time wanted to switch to 48V systems but they have not managed it yet. I hope they will get it with next generation Y or the Cybertruck.
- jameshilliard 5y ago> Its actually the other way around. Tesla cars are designed more like SpaceX rockets or fighter jets in terms of electronics. Yeah, the SpaceX and Tesla software stacks for their firmware are similar in a lot of ways, they both heavily use buildroot(https://buildroot.org/ https://buildroot.org/) for at least a good bit of their Linux based firmware, good luck getting proper GPL source from them though, Tesla last I checked at least made some effort to publish what appears to be incomplete buildroot source code(https://github.com/teslamotors/buildroot https://github.com/teslamotors/buildroot). SpaceX just inaccurately claims "Because we are not distributing buildroot, we are not legally required to distribute the source code under the GPLv2 license." then ignores you even though they very obviously distribute buildroot based firmware to customers as it's used in the Starlink Dishy antenna(I asked for their buildroot source and have a Dishy antenna, that was their response...and to top it off I'm even a major buildroot contributor). They def have a bunch of cool tech but are super secretive about everything it seems, they don't appear to ever upstream patches or interact with outside software developers.