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This is now off-topic, but ... > It's not quite difficult to leave. It's actually very easy. The process of getting citizenship elsewhere can take a while. But

by blunte 5y ago

This is now off-topic, but ... > It's not quite difficult to leave. It's actually very easy. The process of getting citizenship elsewhere can take a while. But if you leave and renounce US citizenship, there are many countries that will allow you to stay until you get citizenship there. With a US passport, you can go many places and stay for a short time. You cannot, however, stay indefinitely. If you try, you will face many obstacles and quite possibly fail and be ejected. Also, renouncing US citizenship is not like sending a letter or walking into an embassy and handing your passport back. There's an interview process and some financial preparation required. Lastly, even if you did renounce, and you're somehow allowed to live in another country while you go through the (lengthy) process to get a new passport, you are now stuck in that one place. You cannot go anywhere. This is certainly not something you would do unless you were really desperate. > It's not quite difficult to leave. It's actually very easy. The process of getting citizenship elsewhere can take a while. But if you leave and renounce US citizenship, there are many countries that will allow you to stay until you get citizenship there. I was speaking of value to humanity, not value to FB execs and investors. This is not a money matter. Finally, pointing out other bad things does not make this a not-bad thing. By this logic, you could excuse anything because you could always point to something worse.

kenjackson 5y ago
> This is certainly not something you would do unless you were really desperate. This is aligned with your position on value to humanity. If you believe that the US is the greatest force against humanity in the modern world (which a lot of people do believe) then not being a part of it is extremely prudent. That inconvenience associated with not being able to visit other countries pales in comparison to being part of the evil which is the US (if this is what you believe). > Finally, pointing out other bad things does not make this a not-bad thing. It's all relative. If on the list of bad things in the world, I have FB below about 20 other things I have yet to act on -- and FB is paying the rent and my kids college then why should I act on that (as you point out with the police, there is some value to their service -- if I were employed by FB, they also provide value directly to me)? Others may have a list of things that rate worse against humanity than FB (but we still "participate in them") such as the crimes committed by the US govt, abortions, police abuse, the prison industrial complex, my cheating best friend, regulatory capture in pharma, allowing animals to be imprisoned and killed for meat, our overreliance on plastics, etc... There's a lot of problems in the world that harm humanity. FB just simply isn't high on most people's list. I'm not saying it isn't high on yours. In which case, you definitely shouldn't work there or use it. I'm just trying to prepare you for the fact that most people, myself included, just don't rank this very highly. And I certainly don't hold it against people that work there -- except for maybe Mark himself.

by blunte 5y ago

kenjackson 5y ago

> This is certainly not something you would do unless you were really desperate. This is aligned with your position on value to humanity. If you believe that the US is the greatest force against humanity in the modern world (which a lot of people do believe) then not being a part of it is extremely prudent. That inconvenience associated with not being able to visit other countries pales in comparison to being part of the evil which is the US (if this is what you believe). > Finally, pointing out other bad things does not make this a not-bad thing. It's all relative. If on the list of bad things in the world, I have FB below about 20 other things I have yet to act on -- and FB is paying the rent and my kids college then why should I act on that (as you point out with the police, there is some value to their service -- if I were employed by FB, they also provide value directly to me)? Others may have a list of things that rate worse against humanity than FB (but we still "participate in them") such as the crimes committed by the US govt, abortions, police abuse, the prison industrial complex, my cheating best friend, regulatory capture in pharma, allowing animals to be imprisoned and killed for meat, our overreliance on plastics, etc... There's a lot of problems in the world that harm humanity. FB just simply isn't high on most people's list. I'm not saying it isn't high on yours. In which case, you definitely shouldn't work there or use it. I'm just trying to prepare you for the fact that most people, myself included, just don't rank this very highly. And I certainly don't hold it against people that work there -- except for maybe Mark himself.