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And what happens to people in apartment complexes, and even more so, those who park on the street. Oh, that's just "the poors", they can drive to a gas station

by JJMcJ 5y ago

And what happens to people in apartment complexes, and even more so, those who park on the street. Oh, that's just "the poors", they can drive to a gas station 10 miles a way, I suppose.

kwhitefoot 5y ago
New apartment buildings here in Norway have to have off street, usually underground parking, with charging facilities. Not much help to people who park their cars in the street but that is not so common here in Norway even in cities, most apartment complexes already have off street parking
cm2187 5y ago
And wait 1h on the side of the road that their car charges.
wbsss4412 5y ago
Every time I read an EV discussion I see comments feigning concern for poor people, even though they are the demographic least likely to own cars at all. If people are actually concerned about the poor, the conversation should be about good public transit, pedestrian and bike infrastructure-things that actually make a difference for people with less means.
- 988747 5y ago
  Depends on the country I guess. In Poland poor people usually own cars, just very old and cheap ones, like 15 years old VW Golf with resale value of $500. There are very few people here who can't afford any car at all. If ICE cars are bannned completely, having to switch to extremely expensive EV will be a problem for them.
  - wbsss4412 5y ago
    Of course, and it’s similar in the United States. I’m not saying it’s not a matter of concern at all, it’s just that here in the US we’ve absolutely hamstrung all other modes of transportation besides cars, which is not helpful for poor people, not to mention all of the many other policies we have that adversely effect the poor. It’s just in this one discussion that people come out of the woodwork suddenly proclaiming how terrible anti ice policies are for the poor, and never with any suggestion for compromise eg “if we do this, it would have an adverse effect on the poor, we could mitigate that with X”. Therefore it’s hard to read it as anything other than disingenuous.
  - JJMcJ 5y ago
    In the USA, millions of people live in apartments or rented houses, maybe park on the street, and would have no means to charge their cars where they customarily park. Yes, we've got ourselves up a tree without a ladder on this issue.
- hexo 5y ago
  yea, good bike costs as much as used car

by JJMcJ 5y ago

And what happens to people in apartment complexes, and even more so, those who park on the street. Oh, that's just "the poors", they can drive to a gas station 10 miles a way, I suppose.

kwhitefoot 5y ago

New apartment buildings here in Norway have to have off street, usually underground parking, with charging facilities. Not much help to people who park their cars in the street but that is not so common here in Norway even in cities, most apartment complexes already have off street parking

cm2187 5y ago

And wait 1h on the side of the road that their car charges.

wbsss4412 5y ago

Every time I read an EV discussion I see comments feigning concern for poor people, even though they are the demographic least likely to own cars at all. If people are actually concerned about the poor, the conversation should be about good public transit, pedestrian and bike infrastructure-things that actually make a difference for people with less means.

988747 5y ago
Depends on the country I guess. In Poland poor people usually own cars, just very old and cheap ones, like 15 years old VW Golf with resale value of $500. There are very few people here who can't afford any car at all. If ICE cars are bannned completely, having to switch to extremely expensive EV will be a problem for them.
- wbsss4412 5y ago
  Of course, and it’s similar in the United States. I’m not saying it’s not a matter of concern at all, it’s just that here in the US we’ve absolutely hamstrung all other modes of transportation besides cars, which is not helpful for poor people, not to mention all of the many other policies we have that adversely effect the poor. It’s just in this one discussion that people come out of the woodwork suddenly proclaiming how terrible anti ice policies are for the poor, and never with any suggestion for compromise eg “if we do this, it would have an adverse effect on the poor, we could mitigate that with X”. Therefore it’s hard to read it as anything other than disingenuous.
- JJMcJ 5y ago
  In the USA, millions of people live in apartments or rented houses, maybe park on the street, and would have no means to charge their cars where they customarily park. Yes, we've got ourselves up a tree without a ladder on this issue.
hexo 5y ago
yea, good bike costs as much as used car