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You could say the same for most companies though - Microsoft's dodgy QDOS and Mosaic deals, Amazon's warehouses and temp hiring practices.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> could say the same for most companies No, you couldn’t, because while those things aren’t great, they aren’t literal slavery being advertised while the person they’re paying the ad money to looks the other way.
- sgregnt 5y ago
  I'd be honored to work for facebook. Most of the facebook customers are small business, that benefit enormously from access to facebook, especially in the third world. They now have access to much larger pool of users. This drives economic growth and gradually brings prosperity to undeveloped countries, or disadvantaged small businesses. For example facebook has facebook light app, which is a lightweight app targeted for older phones. The way ads work on fb is very simple you sign up for fb account and then basically, can post your ad. There are million of ads in hundreds of languages, although facebook works day and night to remove violating content. I'm sure facebook fight with abusers never ends. If you do not understand how hard this problem is, you're probably, have never been exposed to fb scale before. Some companies, however, it seems, have given up on fighting the abuse altogether. For example, telegram has groups openly selling revenge porn, illegal heavy drugs, prostitution etc... Other companies bypass third world countries and disadvantageous population altogether, like apple whose premium priced product are out of reach for these people in need.
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > illegal heavy drugs, prostitution If drugs, sex work and slavery are the same to you, and others sort of doing it makes selling ads for it okay, Facebook might be a good fit.
    - sgregnt 5y ago
      No it is not the same. But you're naive if you think telegram does not have 100x the number of whatever bad is on facebook including slavery, especially in third world countries. The examples, is just what you are *Bombarded* with on telegram if you vanture a bit away from corporate channels and happen to know other languages than English.
axlee 5y ago
No you can't. This is pure whataboutism.
- sgregnt 5y ago
  Sometimes, if in good faith, what aboutism makes people think. It can expose hypocrisy or show that one's thoughts are formed due to popular conformism, or due to hidden virtue signaling, rathar than a honest independent analysis.
jjkaczor 5y ago
Speaking as someone who used to work on Microsoft's CETS - it was driven by an undertsanding that if you provide a platform and ecosystem, you have some level of responsibility to prevent and/or mitigate the harms that occur, or may occur. I personally haven't seen any charitable or notable contributions by Facebook, Google in those spaces (i.e. slavery, human trafficking or child exploitation) - admitedly, I could have missed news on their efforts.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> could say the same for most companies No, you couldn’t, because while those things aren’t great, they aren’t literal slavery being advertised while the person they’re paying the ad money to looks the other way.

sgregnt 5y ago
I'd be honored to work for facebook. Most of the facebook customers are small business, that benefit enormously from access to facebook, especially in the third world. They now have access to much larger pool of users. This drives economic growth and gradually brings prosperity to undeveloped countries, or disadvantaged small businesses. For example facebook has facebook light app, which is a lightweight app targeted for older phones. The way ads work on fb is very simple you sign up for fb account and then basically, can post your ad. There are million of ads in hundreds of languages, although facebook works day and night to remove violating content. I'm sure facebook fight with abusers never ends. If you do not understand how hard this problem is, you're probably, have never been exposed to fb scale before. Some companies, however, it seems, have given up on fighting the abuse altogether. For example, telegram has groups openly selling revenge porn, illegal heavy drugs, prostitution etc... Other companies bypass third world countries and disadvantageous population altogether, like apple whose premium priced product are out of reach for these people in need.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > illegal heavy drugs, prostitution If drugs, sex work and slavery are the same to you, and others sort of doing it makes selling ads for it okay, Facebook might be a good fit.
  - sgregnt 5y ago
    No it is not the same. But you're naive if you think telegram does not have 100x the number of whatever bad is on facebook including slavery, especially in third world countries. The examples, is just what you are *Bombarded* with on telegram if you vanture a bit away from corporate channels and happen to know other languages than English.

axlee 5y ago

No you can't. This is pure whataboutism.

sgregnt 5y ago
Sometimes, if in good faith, what aboutism makes people think. It can expose hypocrisy or show that one's thoughts are formed due to popular conformism, or due to hidden virtue signaling, rathar than a honest independent analysis.

jjkaczor 5y ago

Speaking as someone who used to work on Microsoft's CETS - it was driven by an undertsanding that if you provide a platform and ecosystem, you have some level of responsibility to prevent and/or mitigate the harms that occur, or may occur. I personally haven't seen any charitable or notable contributions by Facebook, Google in those spaces (i.e. slavery, human trafficking or child exploitation) - admitedly, I could have missed news on their efforts.