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How's that going to work for salad leaves that require co2 in packaging?

chefkoch 5y ago
I guess precut and washed salad counts as convinience food and as it would seem strange if you couldn't sell fruit salad in plastic containers.
hammock 5y ago
>the ban won't apply to food that is at risk of deterioration when sold in bulk
eropple 5y ago
This bill won't affect bulk purchases, but for consumer-sized purchases salad greens don't require CO2 in packaging if you're expecting to use them in a reasonable amount of time. Our penchant for produce that doesn't go bad for very long periods of time is new, historically weird, and probably not great, yeah? Also, if you absolutely need greens that are more robust and last longer, there are options like cabbage that will last quite a while just sitting in the fridge.
- tomjen3 5y ago
  I don't want to shop daily, so I need produce that can last for at least a week. Otherwise I will cut them out of my diet, which will be slightly less healthy. We have had a penchant for food that doesn't go bad for very long periods of time for ages (why do you think meat was salted?). Achieving it, especially without ruining the food, is a very recent accomplishment, which naturally the environmental people are looking to take away.
- dylan604 5y ago
  >there are options like cabbage Yeah, but it's cabbage. So there's already an issue there. You forcing/suggesting someone to buy cabbage because it lasts longer than spinach, arugula, etc is not going to fly well with people that don't like cabbage.
  - eropple 5y ago
    And adding to our hilarious overuse of plastic shouldn't fly well with anyone. So what's your solution? Mine's "shop more frequently", which I do because I live in civilization and the store where I get my produce is a nice and pleasant walk (even in the winter it's not bad), but I'm open to alternatives.
    - easytiger 5y ago
      Not everyone lives in the same place you do with the same access or time demands as you do
      - eropple 5y ago
        Then perhaps they should get used to things that don't have the same kinds of externalities, shouldn't they?
        easytiger 5y ago
        Reductive application of "externalities" to promote tyranny over people you don't like.
        eropple 5y ago
        The "tyranny"--of not filling landfills with junk because I don't like impossibly slow arugula eaters, apparently! Why are hackernews posters so awful and weird about food? Do you even listen to yourself? I mean, jeez, just put a wet towel in the pack like a normal person to get an extra couple days out of it instead of ranting about "tyranny" because somebody thinks that maybe it's okay that your spinach goes over in five days instead of eight and you should just buy less and get over it.
        easytiger 5y ago
        Why do you want to micromanage every aspect of other people's lives is more to the point?
- superkuh 5y ago
  > if you're expecting to use them in a reasonable amount of time I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a pandemic currently going on and you should reduce your shopping frequency. Going to the grocer every week to get new produce is counterproductive.
- easytiger 5y ago
  It leads to less food waste, so it's good yea?
  - eropple 5y ago
    I don't know. Is "less food waste" better than "fewer plastics in the environment"? My intuitive answer is "no", but I'm willing to be convinced.
jeffbee 5y ago
It may be that some consumer products are just too stupid to survive.
- ouEight12 5y ago
  Indeed, busy people should just grab 20 McNuggets on the way home and be done with it. I mean, the nerve, wanting a bag of quick already shredded lettuce that they can use for tacos tonight, a salad for lunch tomorrow, and finish out on Friday night burger grilling. Horrible people they are.
brozaman 5y ago
Spaniard here, according to the local media there will be an exception for food that may be degraded when sold in bulk. Source (in Spanish) https://elpais.com/clima-y-medio-ambiente/2021-09-21/la-venta-de-frutas-y-verduras-en-envases-de-plastico-estara-prohibida-en-espana-en-2023.html https://elpais.com/clima-y-medio-ambiente/2021-09-21/la-vent...

I guess precut and washed salad counts as convinience food and as it would seem strange if you couldn't sell fruit salad in plastic containers.

hammock 5y ago

>the ban won't apply to food that is at risk of deterioration when sold in bulk

eropple 5y ago

This bill won't affect bulk purchases, but for consumer-sized purchases salad greens don't require CO2 in packaging if you're expecting to use them in a reasonable amount of time. Our penchant for produce that doesn't go bad for very long periods of time is new, historically weird, and probably not great, yeah? Also, if you absolutely need greens that are more robust and last longer, there are options like cabbage that will last quite a while just sitting in the fridge.

tomjen3 5y ago
I don't want to shop daily, so I need produce that can last for at least a week. Otherwise I will cut them out of my diet, which will be slightly less healthy. We have had a penchant for food that doesn't go bad for very long periods of time for ages (why do you think meat was salted?). Achieving it, especially without ruining the food, is a very recent accomplishment, which naturally the environmental people are looking to take away.
dylan604 5y ago
>there are options like cabbage Yeah, but it's cabbage. So there's already an issue there. You forcing/suggesting someone to buy cabbage because it lasts longer than spinach, arugula, etc is not going to fly well with people that don't like cabbage.
- eropple 5y ago
  And adding to our hilarious overuse of plastic shouldn't fly well with anyone. So what's your solution? Mine's "shop more frequently", which I do because I live in civilization and the store where I get my produce is a nice and pleasant walk (even in the winter it's not bad), but I'm open to alternatives.
  - easytiger 5y ago
    Not everyone lives in the same place you do with the same access or time demands as you do
    - eropple 5y ago
      Then perhaps they should get used to things that don't have the same kinds of externalities, shouldn't they?
      - easytiger 5y ago
        Reductive application of "externalities" to promote tyranny over people you don't like.
        eropple 5y ago
        The "tyranny"--of not filling landfills with junk because I don't like impossibly slow arugula eaters, apparently! Why are hackernews posters so awful and weird about food? Do you even listen to yourself? I mean, jeez, just put a wet towel in the pack like a normal person to get an extra couple days out of it instead of ranting about "tyranny" because somebody thinks that maybe it's okay that your spinach goes over in five days instead of eight and you should just buy less and get over it.
        easytiger 5y ago
        Why do you want to micromanage every aspect of other people's lives is more to the point?
superkuh 5y ago
> if you're expecting to use them in a reasonable amount of time I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a pandemic currently going on and you should reduce your shopping frequency. Going to the grocer every week to get new produce is counterproductive.
easytiger 5y ago
It leads to less food waste, so it's good yea?
- eropple 5y ago
  I don't know. Is "less food waste" better than "fewer plastics in the environment"? My intuitive answer is "no", but I'm willing to be convinced.

jeffbee 5y ago

It may be that some consumer products are just too stupid to survive.

ouEight12 5y ago
Indeed, busy people should just grab 20 McNuggets on the way home and be done with it. I mean, the nerve, wanting a bag of quick already shredded lettuce that they can use for tacos tonight, a salad for lunch tomorrow, and finish out on Friday night burger grilling. Horrible people they are.

brozaman 5y ago

Spaniard here, according to the local media there will be an exception for food that may be degraded when sold in bulk. Source (in Spanish) https://elpais.com/clima-y-medio-ambiente/2021-09-21/la-venta-de-frutas-y-verduras-en-envases-de-plastico-estara-prohibida-en-espana-en-2023.html https://elpais.com/clima-y-medio-ambiente/2021-09-21/la-vent...