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> with rising temperatures it's just not comfortable outside until later in the evening. This is inherently personal. I actually like the warmer evenings, and

> with rising temperatures it's just not comfortable outside until later in the evening. This is inherently personal. I actually like the warmer evenings, and long evenings make socializing outside so much better. If the sun went down at 20:00 in the midst of summer, we'd loose that. There are very few to no days where I still find it too hot when I go to sleep. Instead, we should stop trying to decide what's best for others, both by moving the clock forward and backward, and just use the closest full-hour approximation to solar time.

Aaargh20318 5y ago
> long evenings make socializing outside so much better. I agree, which is why would should move the clock backwards. Right now, it’s impossible to be outside comfortably before 20:00 at the earliest. Having to get up early the next day means you can have 3, maybe 4 hours of socializing outside. Barely enough to have a decent BBQ. If we moved the clock backwards you could be outside from around 18:00, so you’d have 5-6 hours of outdoor socializing time. > we should stop trying to decide what's best for others, both by moving the clock forward and backward, and just use the closest full-hour approximation to solar time. That’s fine and dandy, but my employer still expects me to be in the office at 9
- Denvercoder9 5y ago
  > Right now, it’s impossible to be outside comfortably before 20:00 at the earliest. That's true for you. I don't experience that at all, there hasn't been any day this year where I found being outside uncomfortable at 18:00. To the contrary actually, there have been quite some days where it was fine at 18:00 but no longer comfortable at 22:00. We didn't have a particularly warm summer this year, but even in previous years there were very few days where I found it uncomfortably hot outside around dinner time. And I live in .nl, so it's not colder here than in northern Europe. > That’s fine and dandy, but my employer still expects me to be in the office at 9 Maybe we should fix that problem, instead of just shifting it to another group by changing the clock.
- Chris2048 5y ago
  > Having to get up early the next day means you can have 3, maybe 4 hours of socializing outside I'm not sure I understand - moving the clock back means you would get off work "sooner", but you would also have to arrive at work in the morning "earlier". So it shouldn't make any difference to the hours of sleep you get. > it’s impossible to be outside comfortably before 20:00 at the earliest > If we moved the clock backwards you could be outside from around 18:00 > my employer still expects me to be in the office at 9 I find these times confusing, b/c you don't state whether they are times under the new, DST-adjusted measure, or the previous scheme. I'd assume if your employer has a fixed 9AM start time, then it would have a fixed end-time too, and thus it wouldn't make sense to me how you would be able to get outside (for 6PM vs 8PM) any earlier.
  - Aaargh20318 5y ago
    > it wouldn't make sense to me how you would be able to get outside (for 6PM vs 8PM) any earlier. I would be able to get outside earlier because due to the changed clock the sun is down earlier and it’s not too hot to be outside at an earlier time. You need to wait until the sun is down because in direct sunlight you burn alive. Even if you wear sunscreen (which is icky and gross) it’s super uncomfortable in direct sunlight so you really can’t be outside for more than a few minutes at a time.

Aaargh20318 5y ago

> long evenings make socializing outside so much better. I agree, which is why would should move the clock backwards. Right now, it’s impossible to be outside comfortably before 20:00 at the earliest. Having to get up early the next day means you can have 3, maybe 4 hours of socializing outside. Barely enough to have a decent BBQ. If we moved the clock backwards you could be outside from around 18:00, so you’d have 5-6 hours of outdoor socializing time. > we should stop trying to decide what's best for others, both by moving the clock forward and backward, and just use the closest full-hour approximation to solar time. That’s fine and dandy, but my employer still expects me to be in the office at 9

Denvercoder9 5y ago
> Right now, it’s impossible to be outside comfortably before 20:00 at the earliest. That's true for you. I don't experience that at all, there hasn't been any day this year where I found being outside uncomfortable at 18:00. To the contrary actually, there have been quite some days where it was fine at 18:00 but no longer comfortable at 22:00. We didn't have a particularly warm summer this year, but even in previous years there were very few days where I found it uncomfortably hot outside around dinner time. And I live in .nl, so it's not colder here than in northern Europe. > That’s fine and dandy, but my employer still expects me to be in the office at 9 Maybe we should fix that problem, instead of just shifting it to another group by changing the clock.
Chris2048 5y ago
> Having to get up early the next day means you can have 3, maybe 4 hours of socializing outside I'm not sure I understand - moving the clock back means you would get off work "sooner", but you would also have to arrive at work in the morning "earlier". So it shouldn't make any difference to the hours of sleep you get. > it’s impossible to be outside comfortably before 20:00 at the earliest > If we moved the clock backwards you could be outside from around 18:00 > my employer still expects me to be in the office at 9 I find these times confusing, b/c you don't state whether they are times under the new, DST-adjusted measure, or the previous scheme. I'd assume if your employer has a fixed 9AM start time, then it would have a fixed end-time too, and thus it wouldn't make sense to me how you would be able to get outside (for 6PM vs 8PM) any earlier.
- Aaargh20318 5y ago
  > it wouldn't make sense to me how you would be able to get outside (for 6PM vs 8PM) any earlier. I would be able to get outside earlier because due to the changed clock the sun is down earlier and it’s not too hot to be outside at an earlier time. You need to wait until the sun is down because in direct sunlight you burn alive. Even if you wear sunscreen (which is icky and gross) it’s super uncomfortable in direct sunlight so you really can’t be outside for more than a few minutes at a time.