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Foiled! I’m in New Zealand at present and it was still yesterday even here when you posted. WST = UTC+13, NZST = UTC+12, and New Zealand doesn’t move to NZDT (U
by chrismorgan 5y ago
Foiled! I’m in New Zealand at present and it was still yesterday even here when you posted. WST = UTC+13, NZST = UTC+12, and New Zealand doesn’t move to NZDT (UTC+13) until this Sunday at 2am—unless they choose to scrap daylight savings time with even less notice than Samoa.
Fun fact that I just learned: if you work across the DST start transition, you get an hour’s extra pay: https://www.govt.nz/browse/recreation-and-the-environment/daylight-saving/governing-legislation/ https://www.govt.nz/browse/recreation-and-the-environment/da....
- adolph 5y agoThat amount of letters, numbers and date math is thankfully illegal this early in my time zone. But speaking of the anti-meridian, if one were at a pole, how is the date determined? Is tomorrow always a few steps away? Is there a non-calendar measure of days that applies to the whole planet at the same time? Is the number of days best described as the distance of the Earth from an arbitrary and invisible part of space representing New Years? Is that part of space best described by the “25,772-year axial precession of the earth?” [0] 0. https://medium.com/the-long-now-foundation/the-26-000-year-astronomical-monument-hidden-in-plain-sight-9ec13c9d29b5 https://medium.com/the-long-now-foundation/the-26-000-year-a...
- chrismorgan 5y agoIf a plane crashes at the pole, what date and time of death will they record for the survivors?
- teekert 5y agoIf it happened now and I'd be on it, I'd want my tombstone to read 1632405741 for clarity.
- andrewinardeer 5y agoWhy would they bury you as a survivor?
- mig39 5y agoThis is the ultimate dad joke.
- travisgriggs 5y agoYou forgot an e. It’s the ultimate dEad joke. The joke is also pretty timely.
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- jcranmer 5y agoBecause of the Amundsen-Scott base at the South Pole, and how it is supplied, local time at the South Pole is New Zealand time. The North Pole has no local time since there's no human presence there. Air traffic generally uses UTC for all purposes, and if there's no clear local time, it's highly likely that UTC will be chosen. Wikipedia's page on Air France 447 (which crashed in the Atlantic Ocean on route from Brazil to France) exclusively uses UTC for its crash timeline notes, while its page on MH17 uses local (Ukraine) of its shootdown and for MH370 uses Malaysian Time for its timeline. Given that Alert is the northernmost continuous human settlement, I'd imagine that any search-and-rescue effort for an extreme polar crash would be coordinated out of there. Alert's timezone is (US/Canada) Eastern Time. However, this is a trick question. To get an extreme polar flight, you're looking at something like LA-Dubai. No one on that flight would be bringing enough winter clothing to survive a crash at the North Pole, and so everyone would be dead of frostbite or hypothermia if not killed by the impact itself, and thus there are no survivors.
- cromulent 5y ago> thus there are no survivors I think your reasoning is sound, but survival doesn't always follow reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571 And there would be rescue missions from Norway or Svalbard in a short time.
- ncmncm 5y agoIt was not long ago that a 747 crossing the pole had all four engines die at the same moment. After losing tens of thousands of feet of altitude, they got the engines started again. Rolls Royce (or was it GE?) figured out what exact combination of intake speed, pressure, humidity, temperature, and history caused the failure, and prevented it on subsequent flights. It had been considered (!), but they thought it would never be encountered on any real flight. The engines restarted because, at lower altitude, conditions were different enough. The pilots found the event distressing. It is possible most passengers didn't notice.
- aoms 5y ago"time off death for survivors". Wow, what a sentence
- chrismorgan 5y agoIf you’re not familiar with it, I was riffing on a popular riddle: “if a plane crashes precisely on the border of two countries, where do you bury the survivors?”
- BerislavLopac 5y agoUTC, of course. Not for the survivors, though.
- jcranmer 5y agoIf you're at the South Pole, you're in the New Zealand time zone, because resupply comes from New Zealand via McMurdo.
- zz865 5y ago> an hour’s extra pay Nice, and on the other side of Daylight savings you dont lose that hour's pay either. That's a good scam.
- 2Gkashmiri 5y agorince and repeat?