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Yes, animals waste most of the calories we feed them. By huge factors. We could feet a lot more people with the current energy and land-use, or feed the current
by carlmr 5y ago
Yes, animals waste most of the calories we feed them. By huge factors. We could feet a lot more people with the current energy and land-use, or feed the current number of people with a lot less effort.
- koheripbal 5y agoIt's not a waste if you value their life. They get to live. The end of animal agriculture would mean their genocide.
- carlmr 5y agoI don't know how you can think that the animals we eat have a good enough life than that it's better than if they weren't born. Imagine being only into cages without social interaction, fed horrible junk, only to be killed a few months later for food. I'd definitely choose not be born over being born as cattle.
- nec4b 5y agoBy that logic it would be better no animals would exist at all. If you think cattle suffers, you should watch a live dear being torn by wolves.
- baremetal 5y agohow about everyone convert their lawns into gardens. have a few chickens too for eggs, feeding them with kitchen and garden waste then you dont have to truck everything around, or use huge amounts of fuel to work the land. oh wait that takes effort, everyone wants a low effort, idealistic (yet unfeasible), solution to the food problem.
- jiriknesl 5y agoPeople buy what they want to buy. Given the most efficient would be for example peas. Does it mean eating peas should be allowed but eating grains forbidden? Or are we going to do artificial cutoff by the divide meat/plants? Why? To make 10% of vegetarians happier?
- asoneth 5y agoI think everything should be allowed, but we should do a better job of making people pay for what they use by pricing the externalities into the consumption of a product. Once those price signals are in place then you let people make their own decisions.
- jiriknesl 5y agoOk, so let's say the lowest externality food will be a baseline. For example peas. Grains are higher, so we would also tax grains? And we would grow this until the highest - beef. Or is there going to be "accepted externality"? If so, why those who suggest taxing meat more suggest the cutoff right between plants and meat?
- asoneth 5y agoFor the reason you give, a Pigovian tax on the externalities themselves is a better approach than specific regulations or pre-defined taxes on each class of consumer product. Another benefit of this approach is that it provides price signals to the product's producers as well as consumers -- after all, if a company comes up with a way to produce beef with fewer externalities, they should be able to capture some of the value! There is certainly disagreement with regard to how to handle some of the more difficult-to-assess externalities, but even taxing a handful of externalities still helps push product prices slightly closer to their true cost.
- jiriknesl 5y agoAnother problem is that taxing negative externalities is often used for another things than eliminating given externality. I will buy beef (or corn). It will emit CO2. Capturing given CO2 would cost $5. So the tax will be $5. But politician will not use these $5 for capturing the CO2 emissions. He will buy votes instead. $1 for a symfonic orchestra. $1 for police department. $1 to subsidies to a company of a friend lobbyist. $1 for a new playground... Most often, negative externality taxes are just proxy for taxing people more without using money to fix the externality. So even if you believe the externality exists, but you are not supporting given politicians' program, it is a rational choice not to pay the tax.