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But finally this happened. The issue has been around for years. I think (hope) this will dramatically improve the update situation on Android. I wonder though h

But finally this happened. The issue has been around for years. I think (hope) this will dramatically improve the update situation on Android. I wonder though how close Fuchsia is for day-to-day use on current phones

mschuster91 5y ago
I'm afraid vendor BSPs will be a shit situation for until the end of time, since they are still allowed to ship custom kernel modules - which means when Google updates the kernel, the modules will also have to be reworked (since they live outside of the kernel, they don't benefit from upstream rework effort), and most vendors will take their sorry sweet time to do so or do nothing at all. Really, I don't get why Google with all its financial and legal power hasn't made sure from the beginning that all manufacturers should open source their kernel code, datasheets etc. - this would have prevented so much e-waste...
- azalemeth 5y ago
  Whilst I completely agree with you (alas) and frankly I am not sure I want to see Fuscia succeed (entirely for ideological reasons -- I believe in the value of the GPL) -- this part of you statement has a very clear answer: > this would have prevented so much e-waste... E-waste is effectively profit for the device manufacturer. Discarded phones mean that the whole portable computer that is still more powerful than what we had in universities 20 years ago has become worthless and needs to be bought again. It's created an income stream for the manufacturers -- and that's why they're not incentivised to fix these problems. I'm using a OnePlus 5 -- officially EOL and Obsolete! -- with modern LineageOS Rom and it flies. Of course, "official" apps don't like that at all (which is downright stupid of its own reasons), but I have got around that. I'm sure OnePlus would rather that I threw the thing away and bought another shiny model to get Android 11. Frankly, I'll use it until it breaks and hope that the FairPhone people have caught up by then...
  - blablabla123 5y ago
    On the other hand I'm much more comfortable buying a 500$+ phone from OnePlus that gets updated for 5 years. Maybe it can turn out to be good for both sides with manufacturers selling more high-end devices. (Rather than designing and selling cheaper but many low-end throwaway devices)
rbanffy 5y ago
I would imagine it'd be a win for phone SoC-based SBC makers.

mschuster91 5y ago

I'm afraid vendor BSPs will be a shit situation for until the end of time, since they are still allowed to ship custom kernel modules - which means when Google updates the kernel, the modules will also have to be reworked (since they live outside of the kernel, they don't benefit from upstream rework effort), and most vendors will take their sorry sweet time to do so or do nothing at all. Really, I don't get why Google with all its financial and legal power hasn't made sure from the beginning that all manufacturers should open source their kernel code, datasheets etc. - this would have prevented so much e-waste...

azalemeth 5y ago
Whilst I completely agree with you (alas) and frankly I am not sure I want to see Fuscia succeed (entirely for ideological reasons -- I believe in the value of the GPL) -- this part of you statement has a very clear answer: > this would have prevented so much e-waste... E-waste is effectively profit for the device manufacturer. Discarded phones mean that the whole portable computer that is still more powerful than what we had in universities 20 years ago has become worthless and needs to be bought again. It's created an income stream for the manufacturers -- and that's why they're not incentivised to fix these problems. I'm using a OnePlus 5 -- officially EOL and Obsolete! -- with modern LineageOS Rom and it flies. Of course, "official" apps don't like that at all (which is downright stupid of its own reasons), but I have got around that. I'm sure OnePlus would rather that I threw the thing away and bought another shiny model to get Android 11. Frankly, I'll use it until it breaks and hope that the FairPhone people have caught up by then...
- blablabla123 5y ago
  On the other hand I'm much more comfortable buying a 500$+ phone from OnePlus that gets updated for 5 years. Maybe it can turn out to be good for both sides with manufacturers selling more high-end devices. (Rather than designing and selling cheaper but many low-end throwaway devices)

rbanffy 5y ago

I would imagine it'd be a win for phone SoC-based SBC makers.